Kenyans can throw!

ROFLer wrote:

mm wrote:

nice video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clUvbObfqz0

Thank you for that!

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What? There are no gyms in Kenya! There is not a single barbell in the whole country!

Sport physiologist wrote:1:10

What? There are no gyms in Kenya! There is not a single barbell in the whole country!

I don't know about that but one of the BBC commentators mentioned that there are only 3 or 4 javelins in Kenya!

Sport physiologist wrote:

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What? There are no gyms in Kenya! There is not a single barbell in the whole country!

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You were doing good, but now the troll effort is done.

Africans in general have the highest genetic diversity among all human groups. If it is of no surprise that much more homogeneous groups like Finns produce both javelin throwers and distance runners it shouldn't be a surprise in case of Kenyans. If some genetically very diverse group looks rather homogeneous it has something to do with epigenetics rather than genetics, some characteristics are usually dormant and not expressed but they are there and can apperar anytime. Use google and look up Kenyan bodybuilding, you will find tons of examples of "nonstandard Kenyans".

That's the problem with your theories. They are based on amateurish knowledge of anthropology and statistics as you assume that a population of any country is perfectly homogeneous and naturally predisposed to just one athletic event. Every Swede is 185cm/80kg and destined to be a hockey player, every Kenyan is 170cm/55kg and born to be a distance runner (however not middle distance runner as you explain and the Kenyan MD runners need to "take EPO to compensate for the lack of muscles"(sic!)), every Vietnamese is 168cm/55kg and not athletic at all.

The case of Kenyan MD runners is also interesting. You say they are too skinny to run middle distance (which is based on your statistics that counts only with runners of European origin) so they take EPO. This explanation was - at least to me - very strange. Why would you give EPO to someone whose problem is in lack of muscles? I thought it was because you supposed that Kenyans had good knowledge of EPO and were not that knowledgeable about other stuff, so they put EPO into their MD runners eventhough they would rather benefit from something which would help him with their physique. However now you are saying that Kenyans know steroids very well. So well that they could turn a typical skeleton type Kenyan into a javelin thrower. Then it is a mystery to me why they don't put these steroids into their MD runners so that they can have the "right characteristics" of 1500m runners in accordance with your statistics.

You are not a sport physiology.

Very simple, you are a perfect idiot, because continue to speak about what you don't know.

In Kenya there are plenty people tall over 190cm and heavy more than 100kg. Julius Yego started when was 19 years old, because for the National Championships all the military Clubs (Police, Army, Prisons, Police Administration) look for some athlete jumping and throwing (men and women) because, due to the lack of participants, it's very easier to take point for the Club Championships.

About throwers, of course the officials in charge of every team go to search the tallest and strongest guys already in the Corp.

Yego was selected in 2007, and was th3e first time I saw him throwing in the National Championships. He threw about 58 meters, without any technical idea, and was 2nd behind another thrower, few centimeters over 60m.

Already he was like now, may be only 5-6 kg lighter.

After this, he went to youtube for understanding the basic technique, because there are no coaches for throwers in Kenya.

If you suppose he can be a slim athlete, becoming big for drug, you are a complete idiot.

But you clearly showed to be an idiot already speaking about the marathon runners.

Look at all the young guys doped in your Country, and not for competing but because is, in many cases, the "normal" approach they have with the normal life : to have "muscles" for their image, to feel themselves "strong" because they have muscle power, and not necause have mental power.

With your ignorance, and your way of thinking, you are a very bad example of how many stupid people there are in the World.

Not able to do, you find satisfaction in hating who is able to do.

Oh, an expert started speaking. BTW, do you know that EPO doesn't work in Kenyans? LOL

For you information, the muscular development of an average Kenyan Nilote is on the level of East European women. And the average height in Kenya is 171 cm, almost 20 cm below the optimum height for this event.

If you are an expert, you can join your mental forces with Mr. Mentolin Ventolin and compute the mathematical probability that a Kenyan Nilote would finish 4th in the javelin throw final.

My posts are too long, aren't they? I should make them shorter, because people don't read them carefully, apparently.

The drug testing in Kenya is apparently an utter joke. You can have a good reading for the whole afternoon, if you google "Kenya+doping".

With such a lax attitude, there is hardly a single Kenyan of international calibre, who wouldn't be on something.

I wonder, why there isn't any fuss about this problem. Maybe, people still naively think that it is something recent. They don't realize that this charade has been running for 20 years already. Its magnitude can easily be compared with former GDR. Yet IAAF behaves like if it was a big surprise that those miracles of nature from East Africa use drugs.

Well, of course, athletes from other countries use drugs, too. But it is certainly no coincidence that Third World countries like Jamaica, Ethiopia and Kenya grab so many medals. They have a big advantage that an athlete from the industrialized world can only dream about.

For your information, a champion doesn't belong to the average of any parameter. Bolt doesn't follow the average of Jamaican people, and Yego doesn't follow the average of kenyan people.

Or do you think Shaqil O'Neal was inside the average of Asian people ?

In any situation is possible to see somebody "out" of every average, and every champion is like this.

Also about runners, the average of Kenyans doesn't have anything to do with the ability of the best athletes.

And you, for example, again demonstrated to have ability to think about this subject very far (in worse way) from the average of normal people.

They don't produce any long distance runners anymore. And in fact, they have one of the worst body types for long distances on this planet. This can tell you a lot about the roots of their dominance - low international competition plus blood transfusions in the 70's. And add small stature (before WW II) that they no longer have.

You can look at this somatograph, how "diverse" Nilotes are.

Compare it with US whites

Nilotes may be the least variable human group on Earth, because they are adapted to a very harsh enviroment. The same applies for Asian Mongoloids.

I am just such an amateur and I can't get over a simple math showing that the population of Kenya would have to grow over 200 million to match the potential of Sweden or Czech republic in this field event. And this is only in terms of body height. As for BMI, count with billions.

Renato Canova wrote:

For your information, a champion doesn't belong to the average of any parameter. Bolt doesn't follow the average of Jamaican people, and Yego doesn't follow the average of kenyan people.

Or do you think Shaqil O'Neal was inside the average of Asian people ?

In any situation is possible to see somebody "out" of every average, and every champion is like this.

Also about runners, the average of Kenyans doesn't have anything to do with the ability of the best athletes.

And you, for example, again demonstrated to have ability to think about this subject very far (in worse way) from the average of normal people.

O.K. Not every East European woman is average. One day, we will see the daughter of Bara Spotakova throwing 85 m in the men's javelin final, won't we? Well, the probability of this is not too high, but you know, not all people are average. And furthermore, I am too narrow-minded to imagine something like this.

Sport physiologist wrote:You can look at this somatograph, how "diverse" Nilotes are.

http://ospage2000.ic.cz/Nilotes1.jpg

Nilotes may be the least variable human group on Earth, because they are adapted to a very harsh enviroment. The same applies for Asian Mongoloids

you are an idiot

majority of kenyans live in cities like nairobi, mombasa, kisimu, etc & the only hardship is the stroll across to the chicken-shack

as for your "genetic profiling", that drivel went out 100y ago with demise of craniography

any serious anthropologist woud laugh at the drivel you spout

as for phenotype required for javelin, you have proved you are a moron

the greatest thrower in history, with wr many meters ahead of next best at 98m weighed only 190 pounds

you don't need steroids to beef upto 190 if you are 6'0 or 6'1

Continue with your anthropological lecture! I need some entertainment from time to time.

Sports physiologist,

are all these (unsourced jpeg files) data about somatotypes compiled by you ? I think they are.

If so, we can take them with a little bit of suspicion, since you've already been caught doctoring/twisting facts (and them blaming "the internet" for being infested with errors, when it is the duty of a true scientist/statistician to a ctually check the accuracy of his data ).

You're an anonymous posting under different aliases on this website (I won't name them all) and other blogs.

So don't be to angry if people try to ridicule you. No animosity.

Armchair Sport physio wrote:

Sports physiologist,

are all these (unsourced jpeg files) data about somatotypes compiled by you ? I think they are.

If so, we can take them with a little bit of suspicion, since you've already been caught doctoring/twisting facts (and them blaming "the internet" for being infested with errors, when it is the duty of a true scientist/statistician to a ctually check the accuracy of his data ).

You're an anonymous posting under different aliases on this website (I won't name them all) and other blogs.

So don't be to angry if people try to ridicule you. No animosity.

Sure. I will fly to Grenada to measure Kirani James personally. Don't you know his address, by the way?

BTW, my suspicion about the improbably low values of body height in Caribbean 400 m runners turned out to be correct, didn't it? How can I then be ridiculed by people, who even don't have any idea, how a typical 400 m runner looks like?

"You're an anonymous posting under different aliases on this website (I won't name them all) and other blogs."

If you can recognize my posts on other blogs, then they must certainly differ very markedly from the usual clueless claptrap that you encounter in the internet.

P.S.: The somatocharts come from J. E. Lindsay Carter, Barbara Honeyman Heath: Somatotyping: Development and Applications

as for phenotype required for javelin, you have proved you are a moron

the greatest thrower in history, with wr many meters ahead of next best at 98m weighed only 190 pounds

you don't need steroids to beef upto 190 if you are 6'0 or 6'1

The physiques of javelin throwers range between taller, "swing" types (with BMI as low as 24 kg/m2 and body height as high as 195-200 cm) and shorter "strength types" (with BMI as high as 31-32 kg/m2 and body height in the 180-190 cm range). This dichotomy is not as pronounced as e.g. in runners or jumpers, but it clearly exists.

Zelezny obviously belongs to the "swing" group, although it is true that his body height is ca. 5 cm shorter than in other similar throwers.

Although Zelezny is also an anomaly in other regards, the fact is that the best performing javelin throwers are consistently ca. 192 cm tall, with body weight around 100 kilos and BMI 27 kg/m2.

But why the hell am I telling these things to you? You just knew it, when you were a mere toddler!

great result, they don't call 'em spear chuckers for nothing.

seriously now, when i comes to launching objects far and fast, you have tim lincecum at 146 pounds launching 100mph.

and the PGA tour leader now in driving distance comes in at a whopping 152 pounds.

http://espn.go.com/golf/player/_/id/1283/nicolas-colsaerts

also tiger broke in under 150 pounds and drove farther than he does now. or maybe the same. go check it.

so yes, maybe just maybe technique has something to do with throwing objects.

We can also throw a race, as has been seen in these championships.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Tero was robbed

Hes done.