xfitter wrote:
Ex wrestler wrote:the bench is a much tougher standard to hit.
For fatties like you, yes.
Fatter than I used to be for sure. The bigger problem for me is being on the far side of 50 though. My shoulders can't tolerate a lot of hard weight training anymore. Running 6:40 pace for a mile and a half can be done off of easy paced running which is less stressful.
1.5 miles in 10 minutes is considered a "competitive" score by the NAVY seals. However, they do run in combat boots which obviously do not help.
Ex wrestler wrote:
My shoulders can't tolerate a lot of hard weight training anymore.
Wimp.
LRC Welcoming Committee wrote:
Actually it's 13:00 for the 18-21 age group. The Marine Corps, which generally is significantly more enthusiastic about running than the Army, takes 18:00 for three miles.
Damn, you're right! Any idea if it was that slow in the mid/late 90s? I wonder if it has changed, or if my memory is that far off.
In any case, I retract my earlier comment. Looks like the Mens Health standard and the APFT are surprisingly close. Still not close to 6:00 pace though.
Somebody explain the main differences between the Mens Health standards for Bench Press (1.5x body weight) and pushups (40 reps). Both are "pushes", using the chest. Is the pushup "excellent" standard just much easier? It's weird to me that I'd be excellent in one, and borderline weak in the other.
Is it just endurance (pushups) vs power (bench)?
I do neither regularly.
I just did the pushups without much difficulty.
I may be wrong (didn't try the bench), but I would guess I would be flirting with the "weak" standard on the bench (1.0x body weight), and well short of the 1.5x, 248 lbs bench
LM wrote:
1.5M in 10 min is perfectly attainable for general male population. If you look at presidential fitness standard, the 50th percentile for 17yr olds is 7:03, or roughly 10:50 for 1.5M. Given that most aren't fully developed then...nor training to run, I'm quite confident most could make 10:00 without much trouble IF they were willing to put in the work.
The general male population is 36 years old and weighs 195 pounds on average (I just looked it up). No way do they hold 6:40 pace for 10 minutes. No. Way.
On a side note, before I was injured two years ago I was 48 and weighed 220lbs, and maybe could have done it (6:17 mile). Assuming I don't get injured again the odds are 50/50 that I can get back to that level by October. And I am probably in the top 5 percent.
getting stronger% wrote:
Somebody explain the main differences between the Mens Health standards for Bench Press (1.5x body weight) and pushups (40 reps). Both are "pushes", using the chest. Is the pushup "excellent" standard just much easier? It's weird to me that I'd be excellent in one, and borderline weak in the other.
Is it just endurance (pushups) vs power (bench)?
I do neither regularly.
I just did the pushups without much difficulty.
I may be wrong (didn't try the bench), but I would guess I would be flirting with the "weak" standard on the bench (1.0x body weight), and well short of the 1.5x, 248 lbs bench
It's kind of like the difference between 100 meters and a marathon. It takes different techniques and attributes to be in the top 5 percent of each discipline. If you are good at one you probably are sub par in the other.
1.5 times body weight for the average US male would be about 290 pounds. A push up would be about 60% of your body weight, so on average about 115 pound bench press.
yogibear wrote:
It's kind of like the difference between 100 meters and a marathon. It takes different techniques and attributes to be in the top 5 percent of each discipline. If you are good at one you probably are sub par in the other.
1.5 times body weight for the average US male would be about 290 pounds. A push up would be about 60% of your body weight, so on average about 115 pound bench press.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Way off for mental math yo. wrote:
Not so low for the genpop wrote:In my army days that would get you the maximum score for the run in the PT test. Works out to something around 6 minute mile which for the genpop is a good measure of fitness.
Actually 6:40 pace; off by about 10% son.
Purdy Points puts 10 min for 1.5 miles equal excellence to a 6:18 mile which might not be close enough to call about 6 mins. The Army PT distance was one mile in the mid 1960s and six minutes got you max points.
Most adults under 60 can't run 5K at any pace, as they are too out of shape, fat, etc. They would have to walk at several points and would never even enter such an event.
For the small percentage few who do enter, most are nowhere close to 1.5 miles at the 10 min mark and couldn't run a 6:40 mile that day.
Not sure what your cutoff is for excellence, as a percentage of people, but you exclude 95%+ of adults men or women today if you expect they can run 10:00 or faster today for 1.5 miles.
Has anyone split 4k near 10 flat in any of the near 12:40 5000 meter races?
getting stronger% wrote:
LRC Welcoming Committee wrote:Actually it's 13:00 for the 18-21 age group. The Marine Corps, which generally is significantly more enthusiastic about running than the Army, takes 18:00 for three miles.
Damn, you're right! Any idea if it was that slow in the mid/late 90s? I wonder if it has changed, or if my memory is that far off.
In any case, I retract my earlier comment. Looks like the Mens Health standard and the APFT are surprisingly close. Still not close to 6:00 pace though.
No, I'm not sure. From what I've heard, they care more about PT now than they used to. I know the Air Force runs 1.5 but don't know what their times are; not sure about the Navy and Coast Guard; God know if NOAA and the Public Health Service have a PT test!
potato man wrote:
Has anyone split 4k near 10 flat in any of the near 12:40 5000 meter races?
Both bekele and geb were around 10:07-10:10 for their splits.
Bekele did run ~10:03 for his last 10 laps in his WR, the first 1000m was slow.
Haha I'm thinking the same thing. Recently did 41 pushups in a max test but can only bench about 80% of my weight
Don't worry about bench pressing, it is the most overrated exercise.
Wow, the arrogance!
You know, I just started getting more serious into long distance running (I used to be a short distance track athlete at a pretty good level) and I come in here every so often to see how I am progressing and this forum is by far the most douchey place I've been. Of course, I won't come here anymore but moreover, posters like you are the reason people are shy to go to the gym or start exercising. And you know what, since I played sports at a very good level, I can tell right now that the only reason you are putting down the average joe is because you overcmpensate for something. Most if not all of the great athletes I've seen are confident enough to encourage average joes without putting them down.
mildlyamused wrote:
Wow, the arrogance!
You know, I just started getting more serious into long distance running (I used to be a short distance track athlete at a pretty good level) and I come in here every so often to see how I am progressing and this forum is by far the most douchey place I've been. Of course, I won't come here anymore but moreover, posters like you are the reason people are shy to go to the gym or start exercising. And you know what, since I played sports at a very good level, I can tell right now that the only reason you are putting down the average joe is because you overcmpensate for something. Most if not all of the great athletes I've seen are confident enough to encourage average joes without putting them down.
^^^^+1
mildlyamused wrote:
Wow, the arrogance!
You know, I just started getting more serious into long distance running (I used to be a short distance track athlete at a pretty good level) and I come in here every so often to see how I am progressing and this forum is by far the most douchey place I've been. Of course, I won't come here anymore but moreover, posters like you are the reason people are shy to go to the gym or start exercising. And you know what, since I played sports at a very good level, I can tell right now that the only reason you are putting down the average joe is because you overcmpensate for something. Most if not all of the great athletes I've seen are confident enough to encourage average joes without putting them down.
Hobby jogger alert
xfitter wrote:
It's akin to bench 1.5 times your body weight. Why don't you twigs comment on that?
That's my point in this article. Most these fools can't bench half their body weight yet they are saying they are so extremely fit. Look at the cross fit games. Those guys can run sub 17 or 16 and do lifts and BW stuff these guys can only dream of. In person, I have yet to meet someone who can both outlift and outrun me. If they can outlift me, I can outrun them. If they outrun me, I can outlift them
tell you what, you skinny little runners put up your nose at ANYTHING when you have the chance. you are specialized. if I asked you to bench 225 lbs, there's very few of you that could. if I asked you to belay me or tie simple knots, there's very few of you who could. if I asked you to solve a simple calculus problem, there's very few of you who could. if I asked you to get me around cordoba speaking only Spanish, there's very few of you who could. if I asked you to walk me through the steps of removing an appendix, there's very few of you who could. it's called specialization. poking fun at the general public because they can't do something in your specialty that seems relatively easy to do is absolutely ridiculous.