Flanagan (with the A), Hasay and Erdman

Salazar is not setting up a race for Hasay and Erdmann--and please note: there are two Ns in her name, so think of her as the Jason Hartmann of women's racing, since everyone leaves off the last N of the names of both--and including Goucher. Period. End of story. Instead he will set up a race and perhaps have Cain pace the first 3000 and Moser continue on until 5, or set up a mixed--male, female--race. On the later, this is from the IAAF website on standards for Moscow:

Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants

(see Rule 147) will only be accepted under the following circumstances:

o For all field events and races of 5000m and over held completely in the

stadium the results will be:

Automatically accepted if achieved at National Permit competitions

Accepted only with the Area Association's approval if achieved at

competitions under IAAF Rule 1.1 (i) and (j)

Never accepted if achieved at competitions conducted under IAAF

Rule 1.1 (a) to (h)

Neither athlete is assured that they will run in Moscow because they have yet to earn either the IAAF “A” or “B” (32:05.00) standard for the event. Under USA Track & Field rules, they have until July 20, to improve their times, something both the athletes and their coach said they would do in a special mixed-gender race to be held in Oregon, probably in Portland, in the coming weeks. While there are several possible scenarios, should one athlete get the “A” and the other the “B” they are both on the team because IAAF rules permit two A’s and one B to make up a three-person team.

“Basically, we need one to get the ‘A’ and the other to get the ‘B’ and they can both go,” Salazar told Race Results Weekly.

Should both women get only the “B” standard, fourth place Amy Hastings would make the team with the highest placing “B” athlete because Hastings already has the “A” standard from last summer’s Olympic Games. Should neither women get the “A” or the “B,” Flanagan, Hastings and fifth place Goucher would make the team because she has the “B” standard already (she ran 31:46.64 at Stanford University last April).

bobby s wrote:]

No, Goucher placed higher than Uhl. She will go before Uhl goes.

That was the one question I had, I didn't know if it was Uhl since she has the A or Goucher. I guess your way makes more sense to me now that I think about it

She'll rise to the occasion. She just started with Salazar. She's not even doing the really high miles yet.

He'll coach her into the 31's but I can't figure out why he had her go with Flanagan at the beginning. Better in that heat to start conservative and work up later on. Same with Goucher.

At least Salazar gestured for Hasay to back off.

I am waiting for AlSal to tell her she a marathoner. Not that she is. We don't know yet. But never the less....

Goucher cannot go according to Track & Field News.

Only top 4 can go to the WC.

Right now, it is Flanagan and Hastings.

If Hasay and Erdmann get the B Standards, then the team is only Flanagan and Hasay (A-B)

If Hasay gets the A and Erdmann the B, it would be Flanagan, Hasay, Erdmann going with Hastings out.

I think T&F news is mistaken, i believe that you may not chase the standard if you are not in the top 4 but if you have it you have it.

If that's true if Hasay get's the A and Erdmann doesn't get the A or B, the team would be Flanagan, Hasay, Goucher

I wish Jordan all of the luck in the world, but chasing a 10K standard in the month of July has not been successful in the past. At this time of the year, no matter where you go or what time of the day you run, you will be running in about 75 degrees and after coming off of a long NCAA season with 3 10Ks already in her legs is going to be difficult. Also, on U.S. soil, who is she going to run against to push her and/or who is willing to pace her through a 5K in 16 minutes with no medals or money on the line. The top women are headed back to their HA training camp or on their way to Europe to run fast and earn some money.

The saving grace might be that there are so many women in the world this year without the standard that some meet in Europe might put on a 10K with professional pacers or the IAAF might relax the standard because right now you want have a complete field. Unfortunately, the 10K has become an event that is only run at championships or when someone pays Dibaba or Defar enough money to make a world record attempt. This year, there is no Sally Kipyego Elvan Abeylegesse, Vivian Cheruiyot, Florence Kiplagat, Linet Masai or Meselech Melkamu, they are all either hurt, pregnant, moved to the roads or MIA...you probably won't see a quality 10K except for the WCs. (Good luck Jordan)

I think you are right about Goucher being eligible because she does not have to chase the standard.

However, you are forgetting that Hastings has the standard and finished 4th. If neither Erdmann nor Hasay gets the A or B the team would Flanagan, Hastings, Goucher.

If either Hasay or Erdmann get the A or B Goucher is definitely out as she only has a B, and Hastings would go with her A if neither of the other two get an A standard. If either Hasay or Erdmann get the A and the other gets the B, they both go.

Either way Goucher most likely out of luck as most likely Hasay or Erdmann will grab a B standard in the mixed gender race that Salazar sets up.

yep dtbrooklyn I completely forgot about hastings. buzzkill i wanted to root for that flanagan/hasay/goucher trio against all odds.

This post breaks down all the standards scenarios:

http://spikeduppsychedup.com/2013/06/21/womens-10k-standard-scenarios/

In Portland in the third week of July the average high is 80 and the average low is 58. Hasay wasn't far from the standard and wasn't cooked when the temp was 84 with high humidity. I'm sure Salazar will look at the long term forecasts and have a good chance of finding a cool evening. Also, there will only be two women in the race--Hasay and Erdmann: everyone else will be a male pacer, with enough of them to guarantee that five people finish the race.

Goucher can go if Hasay and Erdmann don't even get the B. Since Goucher finished outside the top four, she cannot improve her status (ie, it doesn't matter if she runs the A between now and July 20), but if it ends up that Flanagan and Hastings have the A and Goucher has the B and the two Oregon Projects have neither, Goucher is on the team.

If that list of A Standards is right, then I believe it would be Flanagan, Hastings, and Uhl. Goucher wouldn't go just because she finished higher than Uhl in the race, they will prioritize an "A" over a "B" standard if it is there, but will accept a "B" standard if there was no other "A". Then of course are all the other scenarios depending on Hasay and Erdmann hitting one of the standards.

I agree this is confusing, but it might be made simpler if some keep in mind that it's only places 1-4 can chase a standard between now and the July date. The top four are Flanagan, Hasay, Erdmann, and Hastings. Flanagan and Hastings already have the "A" standard, and the other two athletes have neither standard. I wish them both well in reaching the objective.

Some might not be aware of the difference between the IAAF treatment of the WC meet and the Olympics. For the Olympics, if a nation sendsone athlete who meets the less stringent "B: standard in an event, that's the only athlete they can enter, even if they have other athletes who meet the "A" standard. For the U.S., this came into play most famously in the women's Olympic marathon trials, I think in 2000, when an athlete named Clark won the race and made the "b" standard in the process. she went to the Olympics, and Kristy Johnston, who finished second and had the "A" standard, could not go. although this was highly controversial, the only alternative would have been to send the Trials second place finisher and leave the winner at home.

NCS Fan wrote:

This post breaks down all the standards scenarios:

http://spikeduppsychedup.com/2013/06/21/womens-10k-standard-scenarios/

Unfortunately he got it wrong right from the start. The correct answer has already been given several times on this thread. Then a bunch of ill informed people get on here and make up stuff.

As it stands right now (10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Saving Time June 21, 2013) the team is Shalane, Hastings, and Goucher.

Only the top 4 from yesterday's race may chase the "A" and "B" standards according to USATF. Kara ALREADY HAS A "B" so she doesn't have to chase it. Her "B" is valid for going to Worlds even though she finished outside the top 4.

If Hasay or Erdman gets the "B", then Goucher stays home. If Hasay gets the "A" and Erdman gets the "B" (or the reverse), then they both go and Hastings stays home.

Who is this Erdman chick? And, Cory McGee...wow...fine looking running ladies.

If Hasay or Erdman gets the "B", then Goucher stays home. If Hasay gets the "A" and Erdman gets the "B" (or the reverse), then they both go and Hastings stays home.[/quote]

Speaking of "Staying Home".

Does USATF take an "Alternate" for each event? Therefore, instead of sending just the top 3, they send the "4th place finisher" in each event?