Olympic medalist doping? Wake up people. You win a medal in the Games in this day and age and you use some form of PEDs.
GROW UP.
Olympic medalist doping? Wake up people. You win a medal in the Games in this day and age and you use some form of PEDs.
GROW UP.
A Duck wrote:
Veronica would like to hear your personal thoughts about her positive drug test.
http://www.veronicacampbellbrown.com/askVCB.html
The fact that you of all people posted this is hilarious.
TLW wrote:
Olympic medalist doping? Wake up people. You win a medal in the Games in this day and age and you use some form of PEDs.
GROW UP.
What a cheap out. Is this how you sell drugs to young athletes by telling them its the only way to be successful?
People like you make our sport sick.
A Duck wrote:
Veronica would like to hear your personal thoughts about her positive drug test.
http://www.veronicacampbellbrown.com/askVCB.html
I sent "WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?"
I think her next IAAF diary entry will be interesting.....
eldanielfire wrote:
Also a picture of both at full effort would make them look much more full of muscle.
True, a Google image search proves that, especially SAFP, Felix not so much.
Fan Man wrote:
What a cheap out. Is this how you sell drugs to young athletes by telling them its the only way to be successful?
People like you make our sport sick.
This is reality. I don't like it. Cheating is so rampant in our sport that to win an Olympic medal YOU MUST use PEDs.
That level of the sport is dominated by PED use.
It's the same thing in EVERY sport. Top 10 in Tour de France is the same thing.
Period, end of discussion.
Fan Man wrote:
Well in a way Allyson is vindicated on her Olympic silvers, although to most of us she always has been.
there are a few possible explanations I need before judgement; she could have taken something not labelled correctly; accidently taken something carelessly; had it passed to without her knowledge or plain been doping. We don't know yet. I'll need to think about it. VCB is a weird one, I have internally speculated if she has doped before (idle thoughts) and been a fan. I'll have to see if I feel convinced by what the doping board accept and what reasons are given to decide on what I think of her.
Also we can't assume that is she has doped that she has doped her whole career. It could be given she was having a bad year of training prior to 2012 (she stated) and appearing to be slower and weaker as a result being at the latter end of her career the desperation to stay at the top she resorted to doping measures.
Lifetime ban for first offense. Pay back all winnings.
TLW wrote:
This is reality. I don't like it. Cheating is so rampant in our sport that to win an Olympic medal YOU MUST use PEDs.
That level of the sport is dominated by PED use.
It's the same thing in EVERY sport. Top 10 in Tour de France is the same thing.
Period, end of discussion.
Nope, not the end of the discussion. You're saying all medalists dope because you don't want to be shocked if your favorite athlete is eventually caught doping. It's a cop out.
Not all medalists dope, but we have no way of knowing who does and who doesn't immediately. Therefore some people (you) breakdown and say everyone at the top of the sport dopes, whereas the other reaction is to take a stance of innocent until proven guilty. Which is more reasonable and leaves you not feeling like an angry, jaded running nerd.
THISSSSSSS wrote:
Cleaner that Carmelita Jeter. What makes people think Allison Felix may be clean as well? Just because she is nice and has a big smile?hahaha
While I agree with you on Jeter, Felix has been vocally anti-drug use since she first got famous. Hell she VOLUNTEERED to be in the first group of track and field athletes to undergo the Biological Passport in an effort to get Track and Field to look seriously at using the system to track drug offenders.
A bit more perspective here about what may be REALLY going on. This was written last fall by an award-winning JAMAICAN Journalist when Dominique Blake and one other Jamaican athlete tested positive:
My understanding is that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) is here in the island, clearly to satisfy itself that all is well at JADCO, the local drug-testing authority, although it might well be a routine visit.
My sources are convinced that WADA may not be completely happy with everything we are doing. This was an Olympic year, and we admitted to doing minimal drug tests in the months leading up to the national trials. Is that one of the things that could be concerning WADA?
How did the rest of the world interpret that? Is it mere coincidence that the information on the positive findings is coming out now that WADA is here, or is it that the two things are entirely unrelated?
We have seen, in the not-so-distant past, where an entire JADCO board was replaced. I'm not convinced that we have fully understood the reason behind that. Might we see anything similar in the near future?
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121005/cleisure/cleisure4.html
Doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that someone as experienced as VCB would end up getting caught taking a diuretic that she certainly knows is a masking agent. I mean, she could have just come down "injured" that week like Bolt and everyone else on the island.
I wonder if they caught her using the "biological passport" program. Don't diuretics simply increase the excretion of sodium and water? This explains the "ripped" look of VCB in the picture posted in one of the two threads discussing this news piece; but does it automatically mean she's using anabolic steroids as well?
TLW wrote:
A Duck wrote:Veronica would like to hear your personal thoughts about her positive drug test.
http://www.veronicacampbellbrown.com/askVCB.htmlThe fact that you of all people posted this is hilarious.
Only to a cognitively challenged individual like yourself.
I've always been 100% anti doping and for lifetime bans for first time positives and more.
The fact that I am also against anonymous twits on the internet defaming and libeling athletes who have not tested positive is perhaps an intellectual and ethical distinction that you are too immature to grasp.
Come on mayne wrote:
Nope, not the end of the discussion. You're saying all medalists dope because you don't want to be shocked if your favorite athlete is eventually caught doping. It's a cop out.
Not all medalists dope, but we have no way of knowing who does and who doesn't immediately. Therefore some people (you) breakdown and say everyone at the top of the sport dopes, whereas the other reaction is to take a stance of innocent until proven guilty. Which is more reasonable and leaves you not feeling like an angry, jaded running nerd.
You don't live in reality or understand how rampant PED use is in high level sports.
Are ALL diuretics banned? I mean, my sister will use an over-the-counter diuretic if she gets a bit bloated on her period. Would that be banned? Or are there only specific ones that are very hard to come by?
eldanielfire wrote:
A Duck wrote:Veronica would like to hear your personal thoughts about her positive drug test.
http://www.veronicacampbellbrown.com/askVCB.htmlI sent "WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?"
I think her next IAAF diary entry will be interesting.....
I asked her if she was going to tell the truth and become the role model she has painted herself to be, or if she is going to issue one of those inane excuses athletes who test positive come up with.
A Duck wrote:
Only to a cognitively challenged individual like yourself.
I've always been 100% anti doping and for lifetime bans for first time positives and more.
The fact that I am also against anonymous twits on the internet defaming and libeling athletes who have not tested positive is perhaps an intellectual and ethical distinction that you are too immature to grasp.
You are 100% anti doping yet vehemently defend particular athletes or groups. You read that one article about that one doctor in a certain state right?
TLW wrote:
Fan Man wrote:What a cheap out. Is this how you sell drugs to young athletes by telling them its the only way to be successful?
People like you make our sport sick.
This is reality. I don't like it. Cheating is so rampant in our sport that to win an Olympic medal YOU MUST use PEDs.
That level of the sport is dominated by PED use.
It's the same thing in EVERY sport. Top 10 in Tour de France is the same thing.
Period, end of discussion.
You don't know this, you just decide this without proof.
Yes, drug use has been a problem.
And also, YES, the IAAF, WADA and the IOC have gotten better and better at catching cheats, saving and testing samples further and further back.
I prefer to support their efforts, rather than smear every single athlete.
If you believe that about the sport, then stop following it and go away.
But, I bet you have a favorite pet athlete or two that you believe is clean. Otherwise what idiot would follow a sport that they believe is completely dirty. Huh?
A Duck wrote:
The fact that I am also against anonymous twits on the internet defaming and libeling athletes who have not tested positive is perhaps an intellectual and ethical distinction that you are too immature to grasp.
TLW wrote:
You are 100% anti doping yet vehemently defend particular athletes or groups. You read that one article about that one doctor in a certain state right?
Duck is an NOP insider. He "knows" the TUEs and other special enhancers used by certain athletes are not "currently" on the banned list. That is the new "gray" zone game being played right now.
When the TUEs and other special enhancers do become banned, all will be claimed as well by certain groups because, "they weren't banned at the time they were used."
eldanielfire wrote:
Fan Man wrote:Well in a way Allyson is vindicated on her Olympic silvers, although to most of us she always has been.
there are a few possible explanations I need before judgement; she could have taken something not labelled correctly; accidently taken something carelessly; had it passed to without her knowledge or plain been doping. We don't know yet. I'll need to think about it. VCB is a weird one, I have internally speculated if she has doped before (idle thoughts) and been a fan. I'll have to see if I feel convinced by what the doping board accept and what reasons are given to decide on what I think of her.
Also we can't assume that is she has doped that she has doped her whole career. It could be given she was having a bad year of training prior to 2012 (she stated) and appearing to be slower and weaker as a result being at the latter end of her career the desperation to stay at the top she resorted to doping measures.
She has been around far too long to be sloppy. She had/has far too much to lose to be sloppy.
You gotta understand the world these athletes live in...they know they are 100% responsible for everything that goes into their body, and they have all the resources to have any substance checked on WADA/IAAF's website. etc.
There is no way this is an accident or an honest mistake. My bet is she will claim another inane athlete excuse for this positive test.
When you read the tweets and blogs from clean athletes who share how much they go through to be sure of what they put in their body...you come away knowing that they know...it is their job to know -- and she's been around long enough to be on top of it.
When it is absolutely your job to know...there is no excuse for testing positive. None.
IAAF athletes are tested more than all the other pro sports, so these athletes know.
The most likely explanation is she just plain got caught. Wasn't expecting to be tested.