He's only 15, so he's not old for his grade.
He's only 15, so he's not old for his grade.
The California 3200 was run at about 9:00 at night. It was warm at that time (about 80 degrees), but not 95 and 80 degrees at night is a lot easier to run in than 80 during the day. Temperature might have played a small role in the slower than average times, but not much.
There were two larger reasons for the slower race in California this year. Most importantly, they ran their first mile in 4:37 and didn't really pick it up until 800 to go. It was a very tactical race and there just aren't that many guys able to close a 3200 in under 2:00. I think the winner, Blake Haney, ran about 2:02 for his last 800.
The second reason is that outside of Haney, the talent pool isn't as deep as it usually is this year. Even with the perfect set up, there were probably only about 4-5 guys who could have broken nine. It was just a down year as far as top end talent goes.
Other than California until now I don't recall any other state meets with 2 runners under 9:00 in the same race. That what be considered all time legendary racing in any other state.
Things have really exploded in 2 mile high school depth this year and now with freshman breaking 9:00 its going to be even better the next few years.
Seyta wrote:
bladlkfjsdfs wrote:Does anybody know if that is a national freshman record?
I was under the impression that Rob Finnerty, also of MN, had the national freshman record in a 9:06 from around 8 years ago.
Verzbicas ran an 8:53 2-Mile at the Midwest Distance Gala to beat Solomon Haile his freshman year.
I don't know whether there was a 3200m split in that race, but even if there wasn't, I'd think the 3200m national freshman record should be 8:53.
The two mile freshman class record that Verzbicas broke was held by Eric Hulst at 9:04.4 (from 1973). Finnerty did run a 9:06 3200 to win his state meet as a freshman but, with the conversion, that was five seconds slower than Hulst.
Krahn's effort, which converts to just under 9:02 for 2 miles, may arguably be the best ever by a true freshman, given that it beats Hulst and given that Verzbicas was 16 (and a half) years old when he ran his 8:53.
In other MN news, an 8th grade girl solo'd a 2:10 800 in prelims (and 2:14 didn't make the final).
break it up wrote:
Other than California until now I don't recall any other state meets with 2 runners under 9:00 in the same race. That what be considered all time legendary racing in any other state.
This year - IL, WA, NJ.
jkjkjk wrote:
He ran 10:28 for the 3200 last year, and he only finished 28th or something along those lines at the state cross country meet. He also looks like a freshman.
http://stillwatergazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/4-29-spo-btrack-Krahn.jpg
It's hard for me to fathom a young kid going from 10:28 to 8:58 in one year running just 30-40 mpw as his coach seems to promote, unless he ran upwards of 100 mpw+ in the "off seasons." I don't care how much speed work he did. Still, an impressive feat. We will see what his improvement trajectory is in the coming years.
break it up wrote:
Other than California until now I don't recall any other state meets with 2 runners under 9:00 in the same race. That what be considered all time legendary racing in any other state.
Things have really exploded in 2 mile high school depth this year and now with freshman breaking 9:00 its going to be even better the next few years.
In the 2010 NJ MoC, Jeramy Elkaim ran 8:46.08 (with splits of 4:33/4:13, no less), outkicking Joe Rosa, who ran 8:48.55. Rosa went on to win outdoor nationals a couple weeks later, running 8:44y and beating Lukas Verzbicas.
Milesplit stats for the last few years don't indicate that depth has exploded this year,(all times are 3200m, outdoor only, for the traditionalists I take 8:56.8 to be the threshold for sub-9 for the full two mile):
2013: 19 under 8:56.8, 31 under 9:00, 9:03.60 50th, 9:08.58 100th
2012: 18 under 8:56.8, 27 under 9:00, 9:03.23 50th, 9:09.57 100th
2011: 20 under 8:56.8, 31 under 9:00, 9:04.68 50th, 9:10.51 100th
2010: 17 under 8:56.8 (plus one right at 8:56.80), 36 under 9:00, 9:03.11 50th, 9:09.49 100th
Still, these numbers are with 2013 nationals still to come, so 2013 may end up the best recent year (possibly the best year ever?) in 3200m/2-mile depth.
props to the top kids in this race, those are all fabulous times.
the freshman looks like a 15 year old, no definition in his legs beyond what's expected at that age. his form is going to crap too, which is great, as that is something for further improvement.
dude who won the race looks like he's just playing around! not real classy, but damn he looks comfortable for running 8:50s!
Write up from downthebackstretch:
Stillwater senior Eric Colvin took it out from the gun, going 65 seconds for the first lap and 4:28 for the first mile. The strategy, said teammate and fellow University of Minnesota recruit Wayde Hall, the 2012 high school XC champ, was to go hard from the beginning, but in the boys field, which was loaded with talent, instead of allowing the Stillwater trio to break away, it created a fast moving train for the pack of nine that stayed together until about a half mile to go.
Wayzata's Connor Olson, a sophomore, then rushed to the front of the pack and broke it up. Duerr, who won the Hamline Elite Meet 3200 on the same track in April, hit the front on the bell lap and held it until the final straight. Ali, who had been second or near to it the whole race, as per his coach Marty Huberty's pre-race instructions, began his kick with 200 to go. Noticing that Duerr looked over his shoulder, Ali read the gesture as a sign of fatigue and kicked it into high gear, using his 51 second 400 speed to accelerate into the straightaway.
Halfway to the finish, he realized nobody was going to catch him and Ali began celebrating his victory. "I was second last year," he said after the race. "I wasn't going to be second this time."
those times are nuts. when i was a senior at Duluth East in 95, Schoenfelder set the state meet record with a 9:02 and Matack ran a 9:17 as a soph which was considered flying given his age. its near two decades later and freshman are cracking sub-9? that's pretty crazy.
minnie wrote:
Write up from downthebackstretch:
Stillwater senior Eric Colvin took it out from the gun, going 65 seconds for the first lap and 4:28 for the first mile. The strategy, said teammate and fellow University of Minnesota recruit Wayde Hall, the 2012 high school XC champ, was to go hard from the beginning, but in the boys field, which was loaded with talent, instead of allowing the Stillwater trio to break away, it created a fast moving train for the pack of nine that stayed together until about a half mile to go.
Wayzata's Connor Olson, a sophomore, then rushed to the front of the pack and broke it up. Duerr, who won the Hamline Elite Meet 3200 on the same track in April, hit the front on the bell lap and held it until the final straight. Ali, who had been second or near to it the whole race, as per his coach Marty Huberty's pre-race instructions, began his kick with 200 to go. Noticing that Duerr looked over his shoulder, Ali read the gesture as a sign of fatigue and kicked it into high gear, using his 51 second 400 speed to accelerate into the straightaway.
Halfway to the finish, he realized nobody was going to catch him and Ali began celebrating his victory. "I was second last year," he said after the race. "I wasn't going to be second this time."
How was Ali "second" last year? He's a freshman. He wouldn't have run in the state meet last year.
Reading isn't your strong suit,is it genius?
break it up wrote:
Other than California until now I don't recall any other state meets with 2 runners under 9:00 in the same race. That what be considered all time legendary racing in any other state.
Things have really exploded in 2 mile high school depth this year and now with freshman breaking 9:00 its going to be even better the next few years.
Washington and New Jersey have both managed 2+ kids in the same race at state finishing under 9:00. I could have sworn Illinois and possibly New York or Pennsylvania has managed it as well? And, of course, if you include any sub-9's from the same state meet but different classifications, I'm sure there have been even more.
Still, definitely awesome racing. And the top four are all coming back next year!
Sorry, top FIVE coming back next year!
The winner of the race who you all say has the "swag" is a showboater and needs to learn some humility. He is what we used to call a Hot Dog - one trying to show up his competition. He also looks old for his age. He could be 20. What a shame that he doesn't have any class.
Tim Luthin and Chad Noelle both went sub-9 their senior year at the NYS meet.
1 Tim Luthin 12 Warwick Valley-1 8:58.92 10
2 Chad Noelle 12 Greene-2 8:59.03 8
3 Martin Hehir 12 Washingtonville-1 9:03.01 6
4 Cole Townsend 12 Canisius-1 9:03.37 4
5 Dan Lennon 11 Peru-2 9:09.37 2
6 Thomas Awad 11 Chaminade-1 9:09.83 1
Heck yes minnesota. I wish Brandon Clark still ran, but Mason Ferlic made it to nats in the steeple as a "freshman".
Sappy Saless wrote:
The winner of the race who you all say has the "swag" is a showboater and needs to learn some humility. He is what we used to call a Hot Dog - one trying to show up his competition. He also looks old for his age. He could be 20. What a shame that he doesn't have any class.
^The racist comments on her never cease to surprise me...
In terms of the freshman kid, he looks like he could have a bright future! This picture was already posted:
http://stillwatergazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/4-29-spo-btrack-Krahn.jpgbut look at the kid! Looks young, sounds like a tough racer, has an experienced coach, guys to train with! Best of luck to him.
Also, mad respect for rocking the transition lenses too.
Pretty sure the national freshman record is 8:53 by Lukas Verzbicas.
