9th place in that 3k probably deserves a medal if you ignore the possible drug cheats.
9th place in that 3k probably deserves a medal if you ignore the possible drug cheats.
Trollist wrote:
majorstars wrote:Another spanish cheater caught. Dirtiest country in the planet, yes even worse than Russia and Morocco.
It still has nothing on the good ol' USA!
Per capita, the USA is among the cleanest countries.
The U.S. does not have much of a history with distance runners and doping.
António Cabral wrote:
On Marta Dominguez, or Lance Armstrong and some others. They are the prove that it´s possible to take EPO and never been caught.
They were take EPO and blood transfusion and every other kind of drug for decades.
The rare cases of drug caught were more victims than guilty. They were victims of a drug use that most did use, independely if some drugs works or don´t.
The debate it´s not on the level of if that or that drug works or don´t. The fact is that´s illegal and then no moral or ethic reason to be accepted at any calss of competitors.
These points are slightly redundant as Dominguez has been caught with the blood passport system and Armstrong also tested positive but bullied it into suppression, in part thanks to the fact the cycling authorities are bloody corrupt.
eldanielfire wrote:
António Cabral wrote:On Marta Dominguez, or Lance Armstrong and some others. They are the prove that it´s possible to take EPO and never been caught.
They were take EPO and blood transfusion and every other kind of drug for decades.
The rare cases of drug caught were more victims than guilty. They were victims of a drug use that most did use, independely if some drugs works or don´t.
The debate it´s not on the level of if that or that drug works or don´t. The fact is that´s illegal and then no moral or ethic reason to be accepted at any calss of competitors.
These points are slightly redundant as Dominguez has been caught with the blood passport system and Armstrong also tested positive but bullied it into suppression, in part thanks to the fact the cycling authorities are bloody corrupt.
How many tests did Armstrong and how many he was caught and how many he wasn´t caught by the tests ?
Armstrong, that some see as guilty, i see as a victim. He was caught when among all the cycling athletes most of them do take the same and rarely were caught.
I got a friend which his son did cycling. After a promising start on that sport Rabobank, that it´s closed now due to drug caughts, wanted to sign a contract with the son of my friend. But there´s a secret/private point of the contract that the athlete accepts to take drugs. He did refise and ther´s o agreement.
"bloody corrupt" ha ha:) was that intentional?
eldanielfire wrote:Spain aren't massive distance runners and Morocco and Russia's dopers are mostly mid-distance
clueless
spain has been the mainstay of euro 1500 - M in past 20y
no world beating times, but when it comes to euro champs, spanish athletes have been the ones to invariably watch in these events
mo made his big breakthru when beating espana in 5k in '10 having been whupped by him in '06
How many tests did Armstrong and how many he was caught and how many he wasn´t caught by the tests ?
Armstrong, that some see as guilty, i see as a victim. He was caught when among all the cycling athletes most of them do take the same and rarely were caught.
I got a friend which his son did cycling. After a promising start on that sport Rabobank, that it´s closed now due to drug caughts, wanted to sign a contract with the son of my friend. But there´s a secret/private point of the contract that the athlete accepts to take drugs. He did refise and ther´s o agreement.
1) 2 things. Armstrong beat many tests because of the ridiculous corrupt nature of drug testing in cycling. At one point Armstrong held up drug testers while he waited for his "clean" blood to be flown in. that isn't so much as learning to pass the tests but in being influential and controlling the testers in a way other athletes in other sports could not.
2)There is also the careers of riders he ruined and made it his personal mission to destroy because they simply didn't want to dope up. That isn't a victim but the main perpetrator.
cycling is different
the uci is corrupt and controls the anti-doping setup
they take the samples
send them off to wada lab with a code attached -so only uci knows the identity of cyclist
uci appointed doping panel notifies uci of an adverse finding
uci decides whether to take take action or not