I seem to remember a thread about how elite distance runner such as rupp and lagat couldn't go sub 12 out of blocks in the hundred a while back.....hmmm
I seem to remember a thread about how elite distance runner such as rupp and lagat couldn't go sub 12 out of blocks in the hundred a while back.....hmmm
and I remember a thread about whether improving basic sprint speed by working on it maybe a day a week would be beneficial for improving 5k performance for HS girls. The LRC consensus was absolutely not..
longjack wrote:
11.5 standing is great.
can should be good for 23.0 in the 200m.
which is elite speed for a 5k guy.
i he can go 22 low for 200m then he can look to medal at the worlds.
wrong
SPRINT GEEZER WHERE ARE YOU???
i want him to comment on the hyper mobile scapula cutting off the stride comment.
also i want him to comment on what a 11.5 hand timed hundred is worth.
and um, yeah like, so like, and um, yeah so um.
also would like to hear sprint geezer talk more about thoughts on jeilan's kick in the 2011 10k world champs. what does he think jeilan could do for a standing 100
Jeilan's kick was more like Farah's self destruction in Dageu.
Yeah, really convincing. Let me know when there is a video of a race/training session with a clearly marked 100m.
Until then... uh...yah!
Looks like Jason Rexing has a couple of brothers.
And when Rupp ran that claimed flying 10.9, did he not do it in trainers? In this video he is clearly sprinting in trainers:
I am highly doubting he ran 11.5 for 100m.
RunWild wrote:
Jeilan's kick was more like Farah's self destruction in Dageu.
If I'm not mistaken, Jeilan ran one of the fastest final 400s ever in a world global championship 10k. Farah's "self-destruction" was a 53.
coach d wrote:
Looks like Jason Rexing has a couple of brothers.
And when Rupp ran that claimed flying 10.9, did he not do it in trainers? In this video he is clearly sprinting in trainers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fws3wgj7les
Are you really that stupid? Seriously, are you? All you see is a video of Rupp sprinting and Salazar quoting times. All that is missing on the video regarding convincing evidence is:
(1) Rupp's exact starting spot.
(2) Salazar's click of the watch corresponding to that start
(3) Salazar's click of the watch corresponding to the finish
In other words, you're only missing EVERY SINGLE ITEM that would be needed to confirm a sprint time.
Holy Cablooey Batman - get a clue. It's posts like yours that make me really appreciate Sprintgeezer.
I'm here.
OK, here we go:
1) I know essentially nothing about Cam Levins, except that he is a distance runner who isn't as fast over 5k or 10k as is Mo Farah
2) Farah went 12.98 for a real 100 from the blocks, but we don't know how accurate the timing was because we don't know the timing system used--so we assume FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT that he actually went 12.98
3) An actual 100m, hand-timed by a reliable human timer at 11.5 from the sound of a gun, is worth probably 11.80-11.85 FAT.
4) Levins' time was not FAT, nor do we know if it was measured by a reliable timer from a gun, nor do we really know anything about the conditions other than that he was in training flats
5) Levins' and his coaches use these measures not for their value as absolutes, but for their relative value, to judge progress and training effects
etc. etc. etc. You know everything I'm saying.
I WILL say this: There is no way that ANY high-level distance runner goes 11.80 FAT for 100m from a standing start, not using blocks, in trainers. Including Cam MF Levins, as he is known hereabouts.
Why do you guys insist on maintaining discussion about non-FAT training times? If Levins was really interested, it is super-easy for him to find some FAT 100m race and get a real answer.
I'll tell you what I would love: if one of these high-level distance guys (which is what I assume Levins is) would actually go out and do it, and bust out a really fast time, that I would not otherwise believe possible, and about which there would be nothing equivocal--full FAT from blocks with wind gauge all operated by qualified personnel somewhere other than Clermont, Rieti, or Eugene, preferably more than once. The only way possible to tell accuracy is if there is more than one result available.
He ran 4.68 for the football 40 for the NFL combine. Unfortunately, he has lousy hands and didn't make the first cut.
So, I watched the interview. Now where is the video of him running 11.5?
I think I would give Jeilan a 12.6-12.7, maybe down to 12.5
I really have no idea because I don't know if he can start or not, I base that only on his potential top-end form.
I still love his last lap from 2011. Great form, almost sprinting! But remember that form is enabled by physiology and training. I don't know that he could ever achieve actual sprint form, but he's the closest thing I've ever seen from a distance runner.
I loved watching that last lap. It was a beautiful thing to see. Good to see him back again, I think he was running for some Japanese club team for a while, earning a wage.
definitely believable that he went 11 point. I ran a 4:21 as a sophmore in high school and now I'm a senior so I'm pretty quick even though I'm injured right now. If I were healthy I could probably go 4:16 on an average day but I bet I could go sub 12.5 so cam can definitely go 11.5 in flats.
"Hyper mobile scapula"
Initial reaction: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More considered reaction:
Anybody who has ever done human cadaver dissection or surgical work will know that each individual is different internally. There are some generalities that you can go by, but there are also marked differences. Think about it the same way as everybody looks generally the same on the outside, but they are all different. Same inside.
Some particular individual just might have more mobility in their scapula than others, and thus be considered "hyper mobile".
HOWEVER, that doesn't necessarily relate to running or sprinting the way they think it does. More mobility in your scapula gives you potentially more ROM about the shoulder joint, not just in how far your arm can go back but how it goes up. According to my wife, women typically have more such shoulder ROM than men, which manifests in diving--women can grab at the top easier than can men, who often have to "cheat" to get the grab.
Movement about the shoulder joint is complicated, and various things must work in concert.
I would need to hear more about exactly how they think it is "cutting off his stride". It is far more likely that he has insufficient core development to efficiently connect between the upper- and lower-body when attempting to sprint and undergoing high ROM, and also likely that he doesn't have the required development in his hips for his legs to match the active ROM in his arms, which will result in torque about the trunk...which is too weak to resist it, so in addition to being unbalanced, he will twist and flop like a fish.
That's exaggerating, of course, but again I would need to hear more about exactly how they think it is cutting off his stride.
800m Coach wrote:
...it's not your 100m speed that makes you a good kicker.
It's not?
What is it then? Give two people the same training, and guess who will outkick the other at the end.