There are 1615 US performances under 45.21 on all time track's website, which probably means a good deal more than 100 different guys, and then from 45.21 to 46 must be hundreds more performers.
There are 1615 US performances under 45.21 on all time track's website, which probably means a good deal more than 100 different guys, and then from 45.21 to 46 must be hundreds more performers.
Nigel Amos is not really a teen. LOL. Look at him. He's likely a bit older than Rudisha. What a bunch of slack-jawed idiots.
Amos is one dude I do not trust
Too young born 15 March 1994
Terrible form
Bad Tactics
Never tires under anaerobic conditions
Either he's a freak of nature or something is wrong in Botswana
ventolin^3 wrote:
regardless of what age you think he is, in terms of technique, he is an absolute newbie with that wild flailing, desperate looking form
he has had virtually no "refining" done to his running, indicating little coaching input apart from looking up textbook :
wild-400-sprinter-wants-to-run-800 training
i'd be very surprised if he gets upto even 10 miles/week in background aerobic work
this is how this event shoud always have been...
Wrong... The 800m at that pace is still at least 50% aerobic. Juantorino used to do 140km/wk in the fall. Most of these guys still work on their aerobic system. The difference today is that they don't forget about their speed for 2/3 of the year. Speed is all year round.
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ventolin^3 wrote:
regardless of what age you think he is, in terms of technique, he is an absolute newbie with that wild flailing, desperate looking form
he has had virtually no "refining" done to his running, indicating little coaching input apart from looking up textbook :
wild-400-sprinter-wants-to-run-800 training
i'd be very surprised if he gets upto even 10 miles/week in background aerobic work
this is how this event shoud always have been...
Yeah Venty, so was Mark Everett. LOL. His form is what it is. It won't get better. He won't get much faster at 800 if at all.
800m Coach wrote:Juantorino used to do 140km/wk in the fall
drivel
absolute utter drivel
you think caballo was doing nearly 90 miles/week ???
he still managed to run 44.26 & keep at 185 pounds off that ???
try 15 miles/week
Yahooda Benhamanni wrote:Yeah Venty, so was Mark Everett. LOL
err...
1'43.20 v 1'41.73
His form is what it is
28y v 19y
It won't get better
yes it will
see 28y v 19y
He won't get much faster at 800 if at all.
endemic of idiocy
1/2 - 1s of his current pb is at worst expectation for a career pb for 19y ole if he doesn't pick up toxoplasmosis from touring with royal ballet company in china or from training hard as navratilova
Mr Ventolin, I take it you didn't get Running My Life as a Xmas pressie.
ventolin^3 wrote:
800m Coach wrote:Juantorino used to do 140km/wk in the falldrivel
absolute utter drivel
you think caballo was doing nearly 90 miles/week ???
he still managed to run 44.26 & keep at 185 pounds off that ???
try 15 miles/week
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Do some research before you spout off. The old idea that distance hurts speed is bunk.
Base Training
Juantorena used the periodization method, brought to Cuba by Zabierzowski and foreign coaches after the revolution. What Juantorena calls his "General Training", from October through February, was designed to build up his overall stamina. He says the training was tough. "We used to train on sand hills, two times day, up to 25 kilometers a day; 15 km in morning, 10 km in evening."
After several months of this stamina work , Juantorena began specific training. Juantorena continues, "My coach started me running that season with the distance runners. Suddenly, I'm doing 15 kilometre runs, which I was surprised I found so easy, as after some physiological testing he was convinced that I could run the 800m in Montreal, too, and because of my speed and strength win it. I wasn't so sure."
Source "Running With Legends"
ventolin^3 wrote:
800m Coach wrote:Juantorino used to do 140km/wk in the falldrivel
absolute utter drivel
you think caballo was doing nearly 90 miles/week ???
he still managed to run 44.26 & keep at 185 pounds off that ???
try 15 miles/week
He did get slimmer, once he became a 400/800 competitor. I'll agree that 800m coach made up that number out of thin air until I see some evidence though.
As for Amos, the 45.66 is a good sign, yes. The 800m is an exciting event, and we may see the record broken again soon. However, I think that David Rudisha is still the one most likely to do that. The reason? Other than past success, versatility.
drivel
if that nonsense was true, with 44.26 speed, he'd have been running
1'39 NOT 1'43.5
& he wouda no-way been 185 pound in montreal off that training
how much "hill-clawing" you think nijel has done at 19y with 1'41.73 already bagged ???
You'll find very few great 800m runners who didn't run a significant amount of mileage.
Rudisha (1:40) is quite guarded but does a lot of mileage in Kenya in the winter
Kipketer (1:41) did a decent amount of mileage
Kaki (1:42) does a lot - 3:31 1500m
Coe 1:41) did a lot 70+ in winter
Amos ? (1:41)
Cruz (1:41)
During his base phase he ran 10-11 miles a day in singles 7 days a week. Oliveira told him to run 10, but he usually ran 11. He ran lots of his base at 5:20/mile and only run slower if he was particularly tired. As he approached the pre-competitive period he would often run 4:40 every other mile. So, he was a moderate mileage runner during his base phase at 70-80 miles a week with lots and lots of LT work."
Borzakovskiy 1:43
Borza's coach says Borza was doing 110 km a week
Andres Bucher 1:42
Bucher also states this when asked about his winter training
"For years, I always started by trying to set a good basic training in autumn (long runs,basic weight training, endurance, . . .).
I've just listed all of the top 800m runners in history (see Juantorena above)
You need an aerobic system, it's 50% of the energy used. Don't convince yourself that fast 400m runners can run fast 800s without endurance.
From a paper about Juantorena's training that is co-authored by Juantorena himself:
Example of general preparation training sessions, last macro of the Olympic
Cycle - Montreal ‘76:
Monday 11/9/75
1. Warm up + gymnasium
2. Special cross (Fartlek with pre-programmed accelerations). Total: 13km.
Tuesday 11/10/75
1. Warm up. gymnasium. grass run game
2. Strength in apparatus. 15 tons.
3. Relative speed 3(5 x 200m). Medium speed 23.84 sec.
Wednesday 11/11/75 (Track)
1. Warm up. gymnasium
2. Progressive series, 3 x 100m.
3. Rhythm endurance 4 x 1000m. Medium speed 2:35.15
Thursday 11/12/75
1. Warm up, gymnasium on grass.
2. 2 km cross (3 series of 3 x 400m) + cross-2km.
Friday 11/13/75
1. Warm up, gymnasium on grass
2. Strength in apparatus, 15 tons
3. Relative speed 3(5 x 200m) mean speed - 23.63 sec.
Saturday 11/14/75 (Track)
1. Warm up, gymnasium
2. 3 x 100m progressive series
3. 1000m + 500m + 1000m + 500m.
Mean speed 1000m = 2:41.35
500m = 1:04.35
I don't see that much mileage.
The 200m repeat times are outrageous.
15mph wrote:He did get slimmer, once he became a 400/800 competitor
seing as he was a 45.94 guy in '72 prelims
( which i doubt anyone has taped )
didn't crack 46 in '73
didn't auto-time anything in '74, albeit ht of 44.7 in turin
did run 44.80 in '75 mexico losing to ronnie ray's 44.45 - same meet as jao's 17.89wr
if you saw him in any of those 3 meets to then claim slimmer in '75, then big-time kudos or
bullsh!t
15mph wrote:He did get slimmer, once he became a 400/800 competitor
seing as he was a 45.94 guy in '72
( which i doubt anyone has taped )
didn't crack 46 in '73
didn't auto-time anything in '74, albeit ht of 44.7 in turin
did run 44.80 in '75 mexico losing to ronnie ray's 44.45 - same meet as jao's 17.89wr
if you saw him in any of those 3 meets to then claim slimmer in '75, then big-time kudos or
bullsh*t
there are something like 10-12 athletes who have broken both 46 and 1:45. It is very hard to do both. being world class at one distance does not mean you will be even national class at the other.
800m Coach wrote:You'll find very few great 800m runners who didn't run a significant amount of mileage.
Rudisha (1:40) is quite guarded but does a lot of mileage in Kenya in the winter
what ???
Kipketer (1:41) did a decent amount of mileage
what ???
Kaki (1:42) does a lot - 3:31 1500m
drivel
when he ran 1'42.69 he was a 3'39.71
when he ran 1'42.23 he didn't even run a 1500 !
when he ran 3'31.76 he was a 1'43.13 & obviously injury-afflicted as he tried to move up for a "pure" 800 guy
almost 1s slower over 800 when trying to combine
Coe 1:41 did a lot 70+ in winter
posters keep arguing - see 1000s of posts here about coe's mileage
nothing concrete about this number
Amos ? (1:41)
then you offer nothing
Cruz (1:41)
During his base phase he ran 10-11 miles a day in singles 7 days a week. Oliveira told him to run 10, but he usually ran 11. He ran lots of his base at 5:20/mile and only run slower if he was particularly tired. As he approached the pre-competitive period he would often run 4:40 every other mile. So, he was a moderate mileage runner during his base phase at 70-80 miles a week with lots and lots of LT work."
idiot
this looks like "alleged" coe-mileage
cruz shouda been good for 3'30 at worst if this was true
he didn't crack 3'34
Borzakovskiy 1:43
Borza's coach says Borza was doing 110 km a week
bullsh*t
that's 3'30 background for a 1'42/1'43 guy
Andres Bucher 1:42
Bucher also states this when asked about his winter training
"For years, I always started by trying to set a good basic training in autumn (long runs,basic weight training, endurance, . . .).
what specific ???
what numbers ???
I've just listed all of the top 800m runners in history (see Juantorena above)
moron
you've offered nothing of any note or ability to discern
You need an aerobic system, it's 50% of the energy used
no
no one gives any great studies
it's anywhere between 30 - 55%
impress me most with studies
Don't convince yourself that fast 400m runners can run fast 800s without endurance.
moron
they don't need 70 miles/week to run 1'41.73
spend your life finding nijel's mileage...
800m Coach wrote:
Amos is one dude I do not trust
Too young born 15 March 1994
Terrible form
Bad Tactics
Never tires under anaerobic conditions
Either he's a freak of nature or something is wrong in Botswana
If he never tires, then why didn't he win the 800m gold medal??
With regards to Amos' age - even if you add 4 years and he is really 23...he still can improve. People saying he is older than Rudisha, think about how hard that is to believe. You're saying he is 6 years older? I dunno about that. That's a freakin huge jump even if he didn't have a birth certificate right away or whatever. IMO he does not look that old. I'm not an age specialist by any means but I know people who looked older than him in middle school.
interesting
i reckoned ryun was low-45 on '70s synthetic off this rain-sodden 20 yard chase in a 46.9 440 after running a WR calibre mile
( 3'55 on soggy track
WR was 3'53-jazy on dry
ryun ran 3'51WR soon after
in all probability, ryun had already run the mile WR before this relay)
when just 18 & 1y+ from his incredible late-'67 peak
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/
nijel may just approach ryun's '66 speed - even in london
no way matching his concomitant mileage/crushing mile ability
nijel - 1'41.73
ryun - ???