Clear as day wrote:
Exactly. Such a bunch of yuki fanboys on this site. If it was ANYONE else there would be pages and pages of posting about how dirty he is. Huge double standard because he's "a blue collar hero" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
But pages and pages of haters does not mean someone is guilty of anything.
reading 101 wrote:
does it really matter if he's doping?
I eagerly await the day when we realise that no athlete is "clean" or "dirty." They are all just athletes, and some use different and/or more effective training methods than others. The ones who shun the more efficient/effective ones are just dumb or up on some moral pedastal.
Exactly!
survey says wrote:
Clear as day wrote:Exactly. Such a bunch of yuki fanboys on this site. If it was ANYONE else there would be pages and pages of posting about how dirty he is. Huge double standard because he's "a blue collar hero" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
But pages and pages of haters does not mean someone is guilty of anything.
So then why do some runners get pages of haters suggesting they're doping and others do not, when the evidence (or lack thereof) is equal?
Seems like this website has an agenda. Part of that agenda is that their pet runners (Yuki being a good example) are 'heroes' with scruples beyond question. The Brojos are the biggest culprits.
The japanese will lock you up for life because of some cannabis. Fact. These people have a culture that Americans just can't understand. I highly doubt he's doping. I might sound like an idealist, but I think that with guys like Mo, Yuki, Lagat, you can just tell that they aren't dopers. It wouldn't surprise me if Mo and Lagat were given PEDs without their knowledge or consent, but there's I just can't see Yuki as a cheater.
I'm sure people have said this before, but I gotta wonder if Kawauchi would have higher peaks and/or a longer career if he'd save himself a little instead of running a marathon every week (okay, month). Not that it isn't impressive.
If this guy be serious on the choice in the number of is competitions
He can run 2h04 !!!
Kawauchi was right with the lead group up to 30km when the pacemakers dropped out. (TV split time was 1:30.39, but that split was different from the official time on the course by 6 seconds, for some reason.) Shortly after that one of the Kenyans (I'm pretty sure it was the winner, Franklin Chepkwony) surged and took some of the leaders with him (2:50km broke the pack open, but 3 or 4 others went with him, including the eventual 2nd and 3rd placers - Ethiopians?), and they put a gap on Kawauchi of around 50m, maybe more, hard to tell with camera angles. It took Kawauchi a great effort to catch up (TV showed him grimacing in pain between 32 and 33km) but he did get back in the group just after 33km. 5km split from 30-35km was 14:44 (from TV, if I remember right) because of the surge and then Chepkwony surged again, ran in the 14:30s for the next 5km, but Korean TV broke away for a several minute commerical break around 35km, so I didn't see how that played out. When the feed came back around 37/38km he was clear of the 2nd and 3rd placers, and steady to the finish. Chepkwony never looked like giving anyone a chance in the final 7km, he was dominant. I thought the TV said he has a 2:06.11PB - does anyone know? He got $80 000 and a $20 000 time bonus, just missed the course record of 2:06.49.
When the final break came, Kawauchi might have dropped back a place or two, but he held on tough. The TV feed didn't show anything of him until he was in the stadium. When he came into the stadium, I thought it was going to be really close; he was at the end of the finishing straight when TV showed the Japanese A standard had passed. But because of the difference with between the TV time and the official time, the official results gave him a 2:08.14.
Duncan Kibet was also in the race, but he dropped out just after 25km. I still can't find results online, couldn't tell you any other placers of if there were other big names. First Korean was a little under 2:13, got the WC "A"
seoulpurpose wrote:
I still can't find results online,
Thanks for that report. Dunno what the problem is re on-line results.
If he took some healthy breaks, he could easily break 2:07, but he won't. The letsrun.com fanboys will cheer him all the way into oblivion.
"Easily," why? Is it his 62:00 half marathon, his 29:02 10k, or his 13:58 5k that makes you think he could cut over a minute off his PR "easily"?
He never gets much rest and his legs will be much stronger with that kind of rest to get over the muscle damage from multiple incredibly fast marathons in a short period of time. He can break 2:07 with that rest and in the run-up to it, he'd break some of those shorter distance times as well.
that´s what i still can´t understand. multiple fast races in a short period of time, and his 1:02 hm means that his race splits for a 2:08 marathon have to be quite close at the personal maximum. recovery should be longer therefore, but it´s not. he runs again and again. is it due to a limited mileage training regimen? or is his story of a full working guy with absolutely no background a carefully constructed fairy tale, just to have a nice contrast to all those professionals?
fake runner wrote:
that´s what i still can´t understand. multiple fast races in a short period of time, and his 1:02 hm means that his race splits for a 2:08 marathon have to be quite close at the personal maximum. recovery should be longer therefore, but it´s not. he runs again and again. is it due to a limited mileage training regimen? or is his story of a full working guy with absolutely no background a carefully constructed fairy tale, just to have a nice contrast to all those professionals?
When Kjell-Erik Ståhl came 4th in the 1983 WC he had already run 5 marathons that year - all sub-2,15. He was also working full time.
wow.
reading 101 wrote:
does it really matter if he's doping?
I eagerly await the day when we realise that no athlete is "clean" or "dirty." They are all just athletes, and some use different and/or more effective training methods than others. The ones who shun the more efficient/effective ones are just dumb or up on some moral pedastal.
Great can I race in my car. More effective than running and it's got a turbo
ukathleticscoach wrote:
reading 101 wrote:does it really matter if he's doping?
I eagerly await the day when we realise that no athlete is "clean" or "dirty." They are all just athletes, and some use different and/or more effective training methods than others. The ones who shun the more efficient/effective ones are just dumb or up on some moral pedastal.
Great can I race in my car. More effective than running and it's got a turbo
That isn't a training method, you fool.
The body has an amazing ability to adapt. Perhaps his frequent racing and low weekly mileage has resulted in better adaptation for him. It almost sounds like he trains like an ultra runner the way he sets schedule (there is mention of overdistance in his training, but his mileage is fairly low). I would love to know what his creatine kinase or PICP levels are after a marathon.
fake runner wrote:
that´s what i still can´t understand. multiple fast races in a short period of time, and his 1:02 hm means that his race splits for a 2:08 marathon have to be quite close at the personal maximum. recovery should be longer therefore, but it´s not. he runs again and again. is it due to a limited mileage training regimen? or is his story of a full working guy with absolutely no background a carefully constructed fairy tale, just to have a nice contrast to all those professionals?
[quote]kanny wrote:
I would love to know what his creatine kinase or PICP levels are after a marathon.
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must be fantastic. his mental fight capability characteristics as well. someone wrote he really had to face royal pains during the last marathon when he passed km 32.
perhaps he is aiming at the world record of kjell erik stahl (14 marathons within one year, average: 2:16)?