the time-crunched poster wrote:
Ezekiel bread wrote:
No, 4 miles is the minimum.
How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?
If it's less than 5 miles, sleep in and add it to your afternoon run.
the time-crunched poster wrote:
Ezekiel bread wrote:
No, 4 miles is the minimum.
How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?
If it's less than 5 miles, sleep in and add it to your afternoon run.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
the time-crunched poster wrote:
How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?
If it's less than 5 miles, sleep in and add it to your afternoon run.
No, I said 4 miles because that is usually a 30-32 minute jog. And anything less than 30 minutes isn't worth it.
during the week I do 20 minutes on the treadmill before weights at 6am 4x per week with 11 miles total during the weekend. Probably 22-24 miles per week. I will run sub 17 for 5k at 51 so remember its not always how far you run but how fast you run when you can. Doug Padilla was one very talented guy.
Around 110-120 km per week
the time-crunched poster wrote:
How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?
If 2 miles is really what ''you have time for'', then it's not worth it. Sleep in or run longer on other runs.
My college women ran plenty of 2 mile morning runs. It's a great freshener and completely worth it in a program hitting 50-60 miles per week at a high level (16:00-17:00 runners).
uinn wrote:
Tough, talented, dumb.......had he trained via Lydiard he would have won Olympic Gold.
Spoken like a true under-achiever....
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Why would anybody wake up early to run 3 miles?
Because they're serious runners.
Lols wrote:
the time-crunched poster wrote:
How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?
If 2 miles is really what ''you have time for'', then it's not worth it. Sleep in or run longer on other runs.
Yes it is worth it.
Ezekiel bread wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
If it's less than 5 miles, sleep in and add it to your afternoon run.
No, I said 4 miles because that is usually a 30-32 minute jog. And anything less than 30 minutes isn't worth it.
Jim Spivey did two-mile morning runs in college because that's all he had time for.
uinn wrote:
Tough, talented, dumb.......had he trained via Lydiard he would have won Olympic Gold.
Nah, he would have been injured all the time. Doug was not a strong person.
It Worked For Doug wrote:
uinn wrote:
Tough, talented, dumb.......had he trained via Lydiard he would have won Olympic Gold.
Nah, he would have been injured all the time. Doug was not a strong person.
If your body can hold together through a near 13 minute 5k it has to be pretty strong.
OBN wrote:
Somebody asked about Doug Padilla's training the other day, and I dug this up.
Fall training:
M. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 5-10 miles@ 5:45-6:00 pace.
T. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. mountain running, 4-6 miles uphill run
W. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 1-2 x 800@ 2:20-2:30, 5-6 miles easy
Th. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. mountain running
F. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 1-2 x 800@ 2:20-2:30, 5 or 6 miles fartlek or single line passing.
S. a.m. long easy run
p.m. long easy run (up to 17 miles for the day)
S. Rest.
June 84, three weeks before Olympic trials:
M. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 3-5 x 800@2:05-2:10, 2 x 400@55-56, 3-4 miles easy
T. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 800, 3 x 400 to loosen up, 3-4 miles easy
W. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 1200@ 3:15, 800@ 2:04, 400@ 54, 400 jog recoveries, 3-4 miles easy.
Th. a.m. 3-5 miles
p.m. 2 x 400@ 60, 3-4 miles easy.
F. a.m. 3-5 miles easy
p.m. 2 x 400@ 63, 58, 3-4 miles easy.
S. time trial or meet.
S. Rest
Trained at high altitude, 5,000 feet. Actually trained in yards, not meters.
I can vouch that this is fairly accurate. Why? Because I was THERE! The AM runs of 3-5 miles are about right. I believe he usually did about 4 miles. Maybe. We did not run in the morning as a team. These were all done on your own. Due to everyone having different class start times some people ran really early in the morning and other later. Afternoon practice started at 2:30pm.
The long runs of 5-10 did happen but the 10 was not as frequent. Closer to 7-9.
The Tuesday and Thursday runs were run up canyons, valleys, or mountains. Squaw Peak was a favorite. It's about 4.6 miles up and gains close to 2,000 feet in elevation. Coach James would meet us at the top with a van. The van ride sucked. Lots of times it had no seats in it and you had to sit on the floor. (no seatbelt laws back then) Your butt would hurt from the 15 minute ride especially if you got one of the cargo vans with the corrugated floor. We didn't run down. The other run was usually up Hobble Creek Canyon south of Provo. Same type of van but longer ride. Not as steep as Squaw Peak but usually a little longer of a run.
Also, when Doug ran his 3-4 miles after intervals. They were really easy. How easy? Hobby Jogger easy. Over 7 minute mile pace and probably more like 7:30-7:45.
Indoor intervals were usually in yards because the track was old. Outdoors was in meters as it was a metric track.
Provo sits at 4,550 feet in a valley.
BYU XC Alum wrote:
I can vouch that this is fairly accurate. Why? Because I was THERE! The AM runs of 3-5 miles are about right. I believe he usually did about 4 miles. Maybe. We did not run in the morning as a team. These were all done on your own. Due to everyone having different class start times some people ran really early in the morning and other later. Afternoon practice started at 2:30pm.
The long runs of 5-10 did happen but the 10 was not as frequent. Closer to 7-9.
The Tuesday and Thursday runs were run up canyons, valleys, or mountains. Squaw Peak was a favorite. It's about 4.6 miles up and gains close to 2,000 feet in elevation. Coach James would meet us at the top with a van. The van ride sucked. Lots of times it had no seats in it and you had to sit on the floor. (no seatbelt laws back then) Your butt would hurt from the 15 minute ride especially if you got one of the cargo vans with the corrugated floor. We didn't run down. The other run was usually up Hobble Creek Canyon south of Provo. Same type of van but longer ride. Not as steep as Squaw Peak but usually a little longer of a run.
Also, when Doug ran his 3-4 miles after intervals. They were really easy. How easy? Hobby Jogger easy. Over 7 minute mile pace and probably more like 7:30-7:45.
Indoor intervals were usually in yards because the track was old. Outdoors was in meters as it was a metric track.
Provo sits at 4,550 feet in a valley.
How hard were those T-Th runs? Those could get you in monster shape for 5000m even without much track work.
byurn wrote:
How hard were those T-Th runs? Those could get you in monster shape for 5000m even without much track work.
They were hard, especially Squaw Peak. There was just no easy part where you could just cruise. It's a hard slog all the way up. Great view of the Utah Valley once you recovered.
BYU XC Alum wrote:
byurn wrote:
How hard were those T-Th runs? Those could get you in monster shape for 5000m even without much track work.
They were hard, especially Squaw Peak. There was just no easy part where you could just cruise. It's a hard slog all the way up. Great view of the Utah Valley once you recovered.
I should also add that after mid-November or so you can't run up Squaw Peak due to the snow and ice. We never ran up there during track season but I don't think the road to the top would be snow free until the end of February or mid-March.
Y’all realize the OP is from 2004 right? And Doug’s heyday was in the mid 80s? So his times come with some context. Also he was #1 in the world at 3000m in 1983 for what it’s worth.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
Y’all realize the OP is from 2004 right? And Doug’s heyday was in the mid 80s? So his times come with some context. Also he was #1 in the world at 3000m in 1983 for what it’s worth.
Alan
Yep, but there were only about 6 posts. Now there are a lot more and some of them are a lot more informative.
the time-crunched poster wrote:
Ezekiel bread wrote:
No, I said 4 miles because that is usually a 30-32 minute jog. And anything less than 30 minutes isn't worth it.
Jim Spivey did two-mile morning runs in college because that's all he had time for.
Sometimes I wake up and only have time to run 3 km in the morning(about 1.8 miles). Yes, it is worth it.