Rupp runs 3:50!!

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Rupp is like Webb and Fernandez, running highly ranked miles that don't mean shit.

laughing... just laughing.. wrote:

OK, so you and Rupp-Certified Butth0le are underwhelmed by a 3:50 in January. What WOULD impress you from a 5k/10k guy? Running a mile on water?

I already said it was impressive. Reading comprehension helps here.

I also said it's foolish to get excited about "all-time rankings" in what the rest of the world (everyone that matters in the 1500, sorry) sees as a fake event.

Fifth all-time means something -- means A LOT -- in real events. Not so much in the 1609 meters.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Rupp is like Webb and Fernandez, running highly ranked miles that don't mean shit.

laughing... just laughing.. wrote:

OK, so you and Rupp-Certified Butth0le are underwhelmed by a 3:50 in January. What WOULD impress you from a 5k/10k guy? Running a mile on water?

I already said it was impressive. Reading comprehension helps here.

I also said it's foolish to get excited about "all-time rankings" in what the rest of the world (everyone that matters in the 1500, sorry) sees as a fake event.

Fifth all-time means something -- means A LOT -- in real events. Not so much in the 1609 meters.

How about life comprehension?

The whole freaking sport doesn't mean squat in the USA, and to a lot of the world.

They keep an all time list for a reason.

A 10,000 guy being 5th on the list. Not bad.

Everyone else is appreciating it, and one idiot has to race in and downgrade it.

The rest, who appreciate a niche sport, are appreciating it...especially in a period where several groups are trying to reinvigorate the MILE.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Without the best actually running the even, this ranking means very little. It's like being 5th all-time in the 1000. Great. But not nearly as meaningful as a real event.

3:51.0 is worth about 3:33.7 for Rupp.

A Duck wrote:

What's your PB, hater.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

LOL. You are a total clown. Unable to argue with my obviously correct points, you attack my PR?? Um, OK.

A Duck wrote:

Why not enjoy the performance>?

I did.

A Duck wrote:

It was predicted he was going for such a time, and he accomplished it.

Obviously.

A Duck wrote:do you race to jump in and bag on any decent performance in any other sparsely contested race/distances.>?

If someone starts talking up how runner X is fifth all-time in the 50k, d@mn right I will.

One guy even said that because Rupp is 2.5s off the mile WR, we should expect 3:28.5 from him in the 1500. Sorry, but that's just wrong. Not going to pretend otherwise.

Nice to see you still haven't addressed my point. Nice ad hominem attacks, though. Usually a sign you've been roasted in an argument. Probably happens to you a lot?

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Rupp is like Webb and Fernandez, running highly ranked miles that don't mean shit.

laughing... just laughing.. wrote:

OK, so you and Rupp-Certified Butth0le are underwhelmed by a 3:50 in January. What WOULD impress you from a 5k/10k guy? Running a mile on water?

I already said it was impressive. Reading comprehension helps here.

I also said it's foolish to get excited about "all-time rankings" in what the rest of the world (everyone that matters in the 1500, sorry) sees as a fake event.

Fifth all-time means something -- means A LOT -- in real events. Not so much in the 1609 meters.

How about life comprehension?

The whole freaking sport doesn't mean squat in the USA, and to a lot of the world.

They keep an all time list for a reason.

A 10,000 guy being 5th on the list. Not bad.

Everyone else is appreciating it, and one idiot has to race in and downgrade it.

The rest, who appreciate a niche sport, are appreciating it...especially in a period where several groups are trying to reinvigorate the MILE.

All the smart running fans know where and how to place that mile performance. YOU were and are not needed.

Everyone else enjoyed it. Too bad you can't.

Why is a 3:34.78 1500 worth?

*That's what Rupp actually RAN en route.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

I already said it was impressive. Reading comprehension helps here.

I also said it's foolish to get excited about "all-time rankings" in what the rest of the world (everyone that matters in the 1500, sorry) sees as a fake event.

Fifth all-time means something -- means A LOT -- in real events. Not so much in the 1609 meters.

When you're 2.5 seconds slower than a guy that ran 3:26 and 3:43, yeah it means something.

When you're tenths slower than a former 1500m/mile WR holder & 1500m olympic/world champion, yeah it means something

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Rupp is like Webb and Fernandez, running highly ranked miles that don't mean shit.

I see you wrote:

Denny is always good for an inane thought or two.

No, he makes a good point.

3:50.9 is a great time. World all-time lists in the mile are meaningless, though.

he will smoke KB over 10000m now! Perhaps he can go 26.15?!???!?!?

Geb ran 3:52 outdoor.

To state explicitly what most close followers probably already know or assumed, none of the 15 men who have run a faster 10,000 meters than Rupp's 26:48.00 have ever run faster than he just did for a mile, indoors or out. I believe that Rupp and Eliud Kipchoge (3:50.40/26:49.02) are now the only two runners in history wo have under both 26:50 and 3:52; if 1,500-meter times are introduced, the number of guys showing similar range increases -- Geb ran 3:31.76 indoors and K. Bekele has run 3:32.45 outdoors, for example -- but at a glance, I don't think that it jumps by a lot.

A Duck wrote: lol, what a doosh.

What's your PB, hater.

ROFL, what a uber-doosh.

Why so much "man-love" for Rupp?

How dumb does Rupp vs Centro with Rupp destroying Centro sound now?

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

The best 1500 runners have never contested the mile very often. It is completely obscure on the European circuit. A Kenyan on the street does not have any idea how many meters there are to a mile.

Without the best actually running the even, this ranking means very little. It's like being 5th all-time in the 1000. Great. But not nearly as meaningful as a real event.

3:51.0 is worth about 3:33.7 for Rupp.

ok, i'll be your huckleberry (and this is from someone who thought the best rupp would do is 3:52-3 indoors):

yes, some of the best 1500 guys did not contest indoor miles very often, but he's in spitting range of the two most recent 1500m world record holders. argue all you want that coe or ovett or cram or aouita may have been higher than rupp if they ran it a few more times, but it's still rarified air. to further refute your argument, aouita, walker, scott, maree probably ran the indoor mile MORE often than rupp, and since you mention kenyans, i'd bet ngeny (#4 all-time on the 1500 outdoor list) did too.

rupp quite simply kicked ass, and i say this with all the authority my 241st spot on the indoor 1500m indoor all-time list (at least circa 2009) gives me...

KMB wrote:

To state explicitly what most close followers probably already know or assumed, none of the 15 men who have run a faster 10,000 meters than Rupp's 26:48.00 have ever run faster than he just did for a mile, indoors or out. I believe that Rupp and Eliud Kipchoge (3:50.40/26:49.02) are now the only two runners in history wo have under both 26:50 and 3:52; if 1,500-meter times are introduced, the number of guys showing similar range increases -- Geb ran 3:31.76 indoors and K. Bekele has run 3:32.45 outdoors, for example -- but at a glance, I don't think that it jumps by a lot.

Great commentary. Interesting and thought provoking.

Hmmmm. Interesting to see where your mind went, and where someone else's mind went.

BTW, ALERT DEMPSEY Invitational heats up at 3:00pm

HE REALLY FU$%¢king DID IT!!!! I didn't think he had that kind of speed in him. I thought he might easily go maybe around 3:53 or 54 at best but he really dropped the hammer this time! Amazing!!!! He needs to get that American indoor 5k record back next! Strike while the iron is hot!!!!!

Cush, you simply ROCK.

(btw, we know each other, partied together back in the days)

lol, your post quite simply kicked ass.

!

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:3:50.9 is a great time. World all-time lists in the mile are meaningless, though.

The mile may not be run as often as the 1500, but the all-time mile list is far from meaningless.

An all-time list for the mile while juggling is meaningless.

3:50 by a 10,000m runner is damn good.

You think you are making some kind of valid point, but I agree with A Duck.... it makes you look like a douche.

Holy Smokes! wrote:

HE REALLY FU$%¢king DID IT!!!! I didn't think he had that kind of speed in him. I thought he might easily go maybe around 3:53 or 54 at best but he really dropped the hammer this time! Amazing!!!! He needs to get that American indoor 5k record back next! Strike while the iron is hot!!!!!

Yeah, that is where my mind went to...get after a 5k.

webfoot wrote:

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:3:50.9 is a great time. World all-time lists in the mile are meaningless, though.

The mile may not be run as often as the 1500, but the all-time mile list is far from meaningless.

An all-time list for the mile while juggling is meaningless.

3:50i by a 10,000m runner is damn good.

You think you are making some kind of valid point, but I agree with A Duck.... it makes you look like a douche.

Why thank you. I agree with you too!

Not to mention it is an indoor time, and early season indoor.

(...I'm still chuckling at Cush's reply, classic.)

A Duck wrote:

Hmmmm. Interesting to see where your mind went, and where someone else's mind went.

Well, I know it's difficult not to assail the board's self-appointed mega-minimizer of Rupp's accomplishments -- and I admit that given the mostly unpopular and wildly unsupportable positions he's taken here, he's done a solid job and has beeb pretty funny at times -- but you have to know that the likelihood of him ever admitting he's wrong about anything Ruppian and a blizzard in Egypt are about the same.

Not only did Rupp run a solid two seconds faster than I and apparently most others, even unabashed optimists, thought he could, but he did it alone over the final 400. Then again, Lagat won by even more in his AR (almost 10 seconds) than Rupp did today; I think Rotich also stayed in through 1200 meters that day but I don't remember for sure.