Can you eat too many egg whites?

T-Rex,

Yes grains such as wheat have an ingredient list of one. The wheat you eat today has been genetically modified so many times over by brilliant scientists that it is completely foreign to our body. Hence the reaction our body has when we eat it. Most milk comes from cows stuffed with so many steroids and chemicals it fits the same description. I should have clarified that the meat, fish and eggs are best consumed from pastured or wild fed sources. There are always exceptions but don't even waste your time telling me wheat is a healthy food choice for anybody who can afford real food.

My boy says he can eat 50 eggs, he can eat 50 eggs.

Just eat the whole egg. Do some quick Google research on this.

I agree with Jumbo Style

I agree with Jumbo Style- you're missing half the nutrition of the egg if you only eat the white.

You should probably switch to whole milk while you're at it.

Oh god........why do I bother? So many nutrition trolls and fools, so little time......

Yes, as I already stated, most people are unlikely to eat so much protein that it will have harmful effects. However, one can CERTAINLY eat "too much" and cause harmful effects. There are few long term studies on people eating the kinds of protein amounts you are suggesting is fine. However, if one is eating high amounts of protein with very low amounts of fat or carbs, they can DIE very quickly (rabbit starvation syndrome). Would you considering DYING something "bad"?

Furthermore, many epidemiological studies show associations between higher protein intakes and earlier mortality (yes, not necessarily causation, but fairly strong evidence). Further-furhtermore, many of the healthiest individuals on earth have eaten very low protein diet (the okinawans traditionally ate an 80(carbs)/10/10 diet ). Futher-further-furthermore, many animal studies (where one can control much better than human studies), show kidney damage at 30% protein intakes. I thought animals, even more than humans, should tolerate lots of protein quite well? It's a self-limiting macronutrient after all, correct?

Further-further-futher-FURTHERmore, animal studies have shown that a high protein diet, with high fat, causes worse damage to blood vessels than a standard western diet (High sat fat, high refined carb, lower to medium protein), and MUCH worse than a low-fat, lower protein, higher carb diet. In other words, the high sat fat diet causes arteriosclerosis (every actual scientist knows this, contrary to what you trolls and fools say), but adding high PROTEIN to this diet that is high in sat fat (and cutting down the amount of "evil" carbs), actually makes the lesions in the blood vessels A LOT WORSE than just a classic western diet. And this occurs without warning by the typical tests to determine if such damage might be occurring (such as measurements of "serum cholesterol, inflammatory mediators or infiltrates, or oxidative stress"). I will post abstract in a moment. In short, high amounts of protein might be exacerbating potential vascular damage that often occurs with high sat fat intake/high caloric intake. And since high sat fat intake and high protein intake go HAND IN HAND with eating the types of foods you atkins/paleo kool-aid trolls are promoting on this thread and elsewhere (butter, whole milk [if drinking milk], red meat, bacon, whole eggs, etc), then one is setting oneself up for potential problems that your normal tests won't even catch. Now of course all these foods are fine in moderation, but you nuts think that tons of sat fat and TONS of protein are just the way to go. Sorry trolls, you are out of your minds, and out of your leagues on this one.

Yes, and iron athletes will ALSO tell you that shooting steroids takes a lot of discipline too (who likes needles after all?). Yes, those "iron" athletes, paragons of health that they are!

Vascular effects of a low-carbohydrate high-protein diet

Shi Yin Fooa,b, Eric R. Hellerb, Joanna Wykrzykowskaa, Christopher J. Sullivana, Jennifer J. Manning-Tobinb, Kathryn J. Mooreb, Robert E. Gersztenb, and Anthony Rosenzweiga,c,1

aCardiovascular Division of the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center CardioVascular Institute and Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02215; bMassachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02114; and cHarvard Stem Cell Institute, Cambridge, MA 02138

Communicated by Bruce M. Spiegelman, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, July 17, 2009 (received for review May 15, 2008)

The cardiovascular complications of obesity have prompted interest in dietary interventions to reduce weight, including low-carbohy- drate diets that are generally high in protein and fat. However, little is known about the long-term effects of these diets on vascular health. We examined the cardiovascular effects of a low-carbohy- drate, high-protein diet (LCHP) in the ApoE􏱐/􏱐 mouse model of atherosclerosis and in a model of ischemia-induced neovasculariza- tion. Mice on a LCHP were compared with mice maintained on either the standard chow diet (SC) (high carb, low fat) or the Western diet (WD) which contains comparable fat and cholesterol to the LCHP. LCHP-fed mice developed more aortic atherosclerosis and had an impaired ability to generate new vessels in response to tissue ischemia. These changes were not explained by alterations in serum cholesterol, inflammatory media- tors or infiltrates, or oxidative stress. The LCHP diet substantially reduced the number of bone marrow and peripheral blood endothe- lial progenitor cells (EPCs), a marker of vascular regenerative capacity. EPCs from mice on a LCHP diet also manifest lower levels of activated (phosphorylated) Akt, a serine-threonine kinase important in EPC mobilization, proliferation, and survival. Taken together, these data demonstrate that in animal models LCHP diets have adverse vascular effects not reflected in serum markers and that nonlipid macronutri- ents can modulate vascular progenitor cells and pathophysiology.

In other words, a high protein, high fat diet (what all you low-carb clowns promote) could be the WORST diet for vascular damage, even worse than a high fat/high refined carb diet (aka, the "western diet", aka "the mcdonald's diet"), and certainly worse than a higher carb, lower fat/moderate protein diet.

But maybe these Dr's from Beth Israel and Harvard medical school and Mass General should have ran all this by Gary Taubes and "lol lol lol" first, you know, just to make sure they were making sense and all.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

So did you have a point or just a joke? (if just a joke, that's cool).

Both. Carrots may be a tasty treat for garden enthusiasts but they have limited nutritive value. A few of the veggie vitamins (A, C, K) and a lot of indigestible fiber, which substance inhibits mineral absorption.

I'll say this for carrots, at least they aren't green. No creatures ever had to evolve ruminant stomachs to digest them.

Yes, we all need to stay away from fiber and vitamin A, C, K. Got it. And yes, green veggies are the worst!! Spinach is totally useless. Down with Popeye, up with egg yolks and butter!!

Lighten up Francis wrote:

T-Rex,

Yes grains such as wheat have an ingredient list of one. The wheat you eat today has been genetically modified so many times over by brilliant scientists that it is completely foreign to our body. Hence the reaction our body has when we eat it.

And what reaction is that?? Most people, including me, have zero negative reaction, and only positive. Try again.

(and your "genetically modified" pseudo-science ain't cutting it either).

Lighten up Francis wrote:Most milk comes from cows stuffed with so many steroids and chemicals it fits the same description. I should have clarified that the meat, fish and eggs are best consumed from pastured or wild fed sources. There are always exceptions but don't even waste your time telling me wheat is a healthy food choice for anybody who can afford real food.

a) so you say milk is full of chemicals and steroids but then promote COW MEAT??

b) oh wait, eat the GOOD cow meat, and chicken meat, and eggs. But you can't get milk from those same "good" cows?? oooh-kay.

c) Too late: whole grains (including wheat) are an absolutely healthy choice for almost everyone, which is proven by the excellent health and mortality of the societies (Mediterranean, Japanese, and vegetarians all over the world) that have consumed plenty of them (before some of these cultures switched to the type of diet you are promoting: high meat and eggs and sat fat.)

Sorry, but you've drunk the Atkins/Taubes/Paleo low carb high sat fat kool-aid BS.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

most people are unlikely to eat so much protein that it will have harmful effects. However, one can CERTAINLY eat "too much" and cause harmful effects. There are few long term studies on people eating the kinds of protein amounts you are suggesting is fine. However, if one is eating high amounts of protein with very low amounts of fat or carbs, they can DIE very quickly (rabbit starvation syndrome).

Overweight people go on PSMFs (Protein Sparing Modified Fasts) for prolonged periods of time, eating virtually nothing but protein.

Rabbit starvation seems to require: 1) extremely low levels of bodyfat (you must literally be STARVING) 2)Extremely high consumption of protein coupled with virtually no, or no intake of carbohydrates and fat.

Protein intake is not the problem.

In human beings, low-carb diets improve heart health parameters more than moderate or high carb diets.

The methionine rich protein of eggs can lead to lots of problems:

http://www.pnas.org/content/100/25/15089

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12176673

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/18/1472.abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14585259

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12543260

OP, eat the whole egg rather than just the whites. It is more nutritious to eat the whole natural food.

It is false to label those who wish to eliminate toxins from their diet as an "Atkins/Taubes/Paleo low carb high sat fat" group. Eliminating toxins such as excessive vegetable oils (excess omega 6 intake), grains (mostly from gluten), and excess sugar is very healthy and not necessarly low carb. I eliminate toxins from my diet but eat a good amount of sweet potatoes, root vegetables, potatoes, white rice, and tubers. I also do not gorge on saturated fat, but recognize it as a health fat my body will benefit from.

Although I have been going to town on coconut butter recently.

bubbadeeboo wrote:

The methionine rich protein of eggs can lead to lots of problems:

http://www.pnas.org/content/100/25/15089http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12176673http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/18/1472.abstracthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14585259http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12543260

Studies like these have value, but principally in pointing to areas to focus on with studies on how "eating eggs" affects "people". Thus far, real world data suggests eating eggs in any real world quantity is beneficial.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Yes, we all need to stay away from fiber and vitamin A, C, K. Got it. And yes, green veggies are the worst!! Spinach is totally useless. Down with Popeye, up with egg yolks and butter!!

you can get plenty of vitamins A and C without resorting to eating rabbit food.

you get vitamin K no matter what because it's manufactured by intestinal flora.

fiber is important only for people who eat modern high-starch diets

and spinach turns your shit green.

Bad Wigins wrote:

you get vitamin K no matter what because it's manufactured by intestinal flora.

Untrue.

Vitamin K2 deficiency is an extremely serious problem. See

What about the pickled eggs with beets they used to sell in the old days at the bar? I would eat 5 or 6 of those with about 6-8 beers all the time. Kind of thought it was good for me in the back of my mind.

Bad Wiggins, you have to be one of the most intelligent idiots on this board. You're clearly not stupid, but I don't understand where you come up with half the stuff you say.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Yes, we all need to stay away from fiber and vitamin A, C, K. Got it. And yes, green veggies are the worst!! Spinach is totally useless. Down with Popeye, up with egg yolks and butter!!

you can get plenty of vitamins A and C without resorting to eating rabbit food.

you get vitamin K no matter what because it's manufactured by intestinal flora.

fiber is important only for people who eat modern high-starch diets

and spinach turns your shit green.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

[quote]Bad Wigins wrote:

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Can I get free super-saver shipping with your bullshit?