Lance to Finally Admit For the First Time to...Oprah??

So sorry J.R., but 600mg/wk of cherries cannot increase strength gains and help one gain up to 10lbs of lean muscle mass within 10wks. Feel free to keep your head buried in the sand.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535

J.R. wrote:

All that has been proven is that you and many others believe in them.

Cherries are actually much more effective.

Levels Within Levels wrote:

To those who say "they are all using", you are only parading your ignorance. It is like saying that Pablo Escobar and a local weed dealer are committing the same offence, give them the same treatment. Lance took cheating the system to levels never dreamed of by his rivals, not the least of which was having the best lawyers money can buy, and the Cancer Shield to deflect popular scrutiny on every level.

This.

J.R. wrote:

He lied under oath about PEDs.

That has not been proven, and is false unless and until proven otherwise.

There is a HUGE difference between "false", and "that has not been proven". To conclude the former, from the latter, is incorrect.

In Lance's case, he doesn't pass the smell test. Something stinks enough to have a pretty good idea he's rotten.

more than you think wrote:

In Lance's case, he doesn't pass the smell test. Something stinks enough to have a pretty good idea he's rotten.

I find it silly why people care so much how fast a grown man can ride a bicycle.

For the love of god

can we please just ban J.R.

he is a terrible poster and completely out of touch with reality

Well she is an athlete ( cough...cough..)

Didn't she run a marathon once ?

Balian wrote:

Well she is an athlete ( cough...cough..)

Didn't she run a marathon once ?

She jogged one. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

In the Know... wrote:

So sorry J.R., but 600mg/wk of cherries cannot increase strength gains and help one gain up to 10lbs of lean muscle mass within 10wks.

I'm sure your 250 pounds of muscle mass will help you to run an astounding marathon.

Boring...............................

This thread is boring..................

Nothing but a bunch of drug believers.

Get out and run.

Stop worrying about things that don't matter.

J.R. is one of the following:

a) a horrendous troll that needs to be beaten back under his bridge

b) Lance's mom

c) Lance Armstrong

I am astounded that some people think cheating is OK if others are doing it. It's akin to saying "I HAVE to do insider trading (or whatever) otherwise my performance relative to my colleagues will suck and I'll be fired". Utter nonsense.

He could have still earned good money had he doped less and not destroyed other peoples careers - he got greedy.

The guy has cost a lot of people their careers - it will be very ironic/hypocritical if he says he took drugs just to preserve his.

Well said

For the idiots who still think he was innoccent or did not fail a test. if you have 10 witnesses who testify that you shot someone they don't need to find the gun

How many decades have sports tried to eliminate PED's, and what have they achieved, absolutely nothing. Not because it can't be done, but because the sports themselves are corrupt from the inside out. Pro sports are about making money, and there's no money to be made if there are no PED's. Using every possible advantage to win is the driving force.

That is why other forms of cheating are not only allowed, they are tradition. For example, putting pacemakers in track races is cheating. It gives runners a physical advantage and allows them to go faster. It's as dishonest as a wind-assisted sprint. But it has been done for decades and results occasionally in records, which makes money, so it is allowed.

Imagine pacemaking being banned. There go all the European meets. No more sub 3:30's, ever. Nobody will watch track anymore. The sport would go broke.

That's the same thing that would happen if track really did eliminate PED's. Same for cycling. If performances regress, the sports will go into recession, and so the investors who set the rules and pull the strings see to it that PED's are not eliminated.

LA almost surely was a doper. Cycling protected him for a long time, but then USADA, for shamelessly self-promoting reasons, decided to put him against the wall, and cycling threw him under the bus. But cycling is not going to change one little bit. LA is just the fall guy for a tradition as old as cycling itself. As long as all eyes are on LA, they won't be on the sponsors and organizers who enable and profit from PED's, and they will easily figure out how to keep things as they are.

If you really want drug-free sports, you must decide if you can do without the sponsors and the big money. There won't be records anymore. There won't be many good competitions. They won't be putting it on TV. It'll be crap. PED's are cheating, but that's how it is. Cheating's traditional now. You won't recognize the sport without it.

it would be great for the sport as the times would be definitely slower. Normal people would see they have a chance to compete and be successful. There would be more participation as a result.

Professional football was very popular when the players were between 220 - 260 pounds. Many skilled positions had people under 200. Granted, it continues to be popular today with the players being 300 - 340 pounds but they don't need to be that massive for the sport to be successful.

someone had to do it wrote:

For the love of god

can we please just ban J.R.

he is a terrible poster and completely out of touch with reality

J.R. should not be banned just because you do not agree with him. I do not agree with him on PEDs either but I have had a few interesting productive exchanges with him on other topics.

Can we stop discussing if Lance is guilty or not in this thread? This is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about what he will admit in the Oprah interview and what not.

My prediction is that he is going to be very vague to avoid legal implications. 0 chance this is live. "It will air 9pm on....and live streamed on oprah.com" means it will air online at the same time. But it won't be live.

So here is what he will say:

- "We all were looking for ways to improve our performance"

- "we were in this system together"

- "I apologize if anyone feels betrayed"

- "Jan, Joseba, Andy, they all knew who came first in the tour"

- "I will do anything to help cycling to become popular again"

- "I have helped millions of cancer patients"

- "I love my kids"

Personally I don't care if he admits PED use. I do not think USADA should reduce his sentence even if he did that.

I only care if he admits to trafficking and covering up positive results w/ the help of the UCI.

J.R. wrote:

You appear to think drugs make the world go round and that no one can compete well without them.

I think that's a bunch of hogwash and not true at all.

Whether a particular banned substance actually works as a performance enhancer is not germane to whether an athlete should be subject to sanctions for using said substance. It's still a rules violation with defined consequences.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Personally I don't care if he admits PED use. I do not think USADA should reduce his sentence even if he did that.

I only care if he admits to trafficking and covering up positive results w/ the help of the UCI.

USADA/WADA will only reduce his drug ban if he throws some other guys under the truck, this includes:

Johan Bruyneel, McQuaid/UCI, M. Ferrari, C. Carmichael, Nike.

Two of them on a silver plate and his ban is reduced to 2 years. All of them and he is ready to race in 6 months. #notHappening