Salazar/Rupp/Farah ... Looking for an unfair advantage

Bingo! We have a winner!

We should start a thread and compile all those facts, as in the Kip Litton thread!

pro tip, thyroid hormone also stimulates production of a few specific enzymes associated with high-intensity performance. Just because you took biochemistry doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about thyroid hormone. Remember all the MDs who were saying that steroids don't increase strength gains in the 80s?

again......your natural thyroid hormone stimulates the same enzymes, the same EPO, etc......if you took an above normal amount of thyroid hormone you would go crazy, you would be exhausted from anxiety and would not be a running real strong. Still, again, someone could benefit from hormone replacement due to the fact that they are ingesting their hormone and not relying on variable natural production....but taking too much would not help you......even if it boosted beneficial products above normal levels the downsides would certainly counter the positives

Stop reading sentences in articles and maing lists of assumptions based on individual facts.....stop being an idiot

Was just surfing the net. There is an old article of Landis claiming taking small doses of thyroid hormone or something like that. It was a response to suspected use of test. Starting to see a connection. Personally I think is to up metabolism to get rid of drugs faster. Why micro dose if you can administer low levels of thyroid speed up metabolism and dope close to races.

Here we go:

This is on thyroid supplementation......and the benefit clearly is on avoiding declines from heavy training:

Effect of fatiguing bicycle exercise on thyroid hormone and testosterone levels in sedentary males supplemented with oral zinc.

Kilic M.

Source

School of Physical Education and Sports, Selcuk University, Konya, Turkey.

kmkilic@yahoo.com.tr

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

The aim of this study was to determine how exercise affects thyroid hormones and testosterone levels in sedentary men receiving oral zinc for 4 weeks.

METHODS:

The study included 10 volunteers (mean age, 19.47+/-1.7 years) who did not exercise. All subjects received supplements of oral zinc sulfate (3 mg/kg/day) for 4 weeks and their normal diets. The thyroid hormone and testosterone levels of all subjects were determined at rest and after bicycle exercise before and after zinc supplementation.

RESULTS:

TT3, TT4, FT3, and total and free testosterone levels decreased after exercise compared to resting levels before supplementation (p<0.01). Both the resting and fatigue hormone values were higher after 4 weeks of supplementation than the resting and fatigue values before supplementation (p<0.05).

CONCLUSION:

The results indicate that exercise decreases thyroid hormones and testosterone in sedentary men; however, zinc supplementation prevents this decrease. Administration of a physiologic dose of zinc can be beneficial to performance.

It is not going to boost the performance of a rested runner, but it may keep someone who has a thyroid problem from going through phases of fatigue after hard training periods....

The point everyone seems to be missing:

GALEN RUPP DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE THYROID PROBLEMS.

It's not hard to get a prescription for a condition with vague symptoms. How do you think people get prescriptions for painkillers, etc.?

I obviously didn't read the article, but the article doesn't bear at all on what happens when someone takes thyroid hormone. The treatment in the study was with zinc sulfate. Your interpretation of this study makes me question your broader argument about the lack of effects of thyroid hormone.

the jerk wrote:

The point everyone seems to be missing:

GALEN RUPP DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE THYROID PROBLEMS.

It's not hard to get a prescription for a condition with vague symptoms. How do you think people get prescriptions for painkillers, etc.?

why do you think he does not actually have a thyroid problem......autoimmune thyroid disease is reported in almost 10% of the US population.....and it is likely higher than that.....we can speculate why, pollution, bad diets, toxins in food, in the water, viruses, mercury poisoning, flouride in the water.....the list of conspiracies goes on.......but the fact is it is real common and I would think that if Galen or any smart athlete cam to a doctor because they were struggling with fatigue that would be the first thing a smart doctor would check, along with iron and blood sugar levels....and maybe a mono test

Ok, Salazar had thyroid problems, Galen Rupp also et Mo Farah too....

Hmmmm... They also have exercize-induced asthma!

Wow... how come they run so fast with such terrible health???

Butterycrescentrolls wrote:

Seriously do you any of you have ANY proof they're using thyroid medication? There was a mention one time when rupp was in college. Maybe he had a thyroid problem? There is no indication farah is using thyroid meds and no indication rupp is now either. What's with these stupid posts?

Once you go on, you don't go off. Nothing on Farah but Rupp will be on meds at least until he stops running.

That's hardly news, it has been brought up on the boards multiple times in the past years.

I don't think excessive thyroid medication would give athletes the kind of advantage that wins gold medals, but combined with (artifical) altitude, it might help. As to how widespread it is, we will certainly know when we look at the incidence of cancer among athletes in a few decades time.

A question that was alluded to earlier:

Why isn't everyone else doing the same thing?

Especially if it's "not illegal"?

In reply to the post above, it should be fairly obvious at this point that Nike bankrolls doctors who give "favorable" diagnoses.

Unless you actually study medicine, or have a comprehensive understanding of human physiology, than your comments on the advantages of Thyroxine supplementation don't carry a lot of weight. Being hyperthyroid-having an excess of thyroid hormone-has it's own host of problems: nausea, muscle weakness, gastrointestinal upset, tremors, high blood pressure, high or irregular heartbeat and not to mention, gynecomastia. Male breasts. Sounds like a recipe for athletic success.

I speak from experience, as a medical student, college runner and nordic skier, and someone who has suffered from Hashimotos thyroiditis. It's awful, and being both hyperthyroid and hypothyroid at different times during my college years have made it very difficult for me to train and compete consistently. Let's quit with all the pseudoscience on this board. At a certain point it just gets so ridiculous.

So what if Rupp/Farah are on some thyroid combo and sleep in a hypebaric chamber? None of this is on the prohibited list so what is the problem.

This is a pointless post. A real med student should know better. I can list side effects of any PED but doesn't mean they don't potentially help. Are you going to tell be dianobol isn't effective because it causes almost all the same side effects you just listed when mishandled?

UMD medical student wrote:

Unless you actually study medicine, or have a comprehensive understanding of human physiology, than your comments on the advantages of Thyroxine supplementation don't carry a lot of weight. Being hyperthyroid-having an excess of thyroid hormone-has it's own host of problems: nausea, muscle weakness, gastrointestinal upset, tremors, high blood pressure, high or irregular heartbeat and not to mention, gynecomastia. Male breasts. Sounds like a recipe for athletic success.

I speak from experience, as a medical student, college runner and nordic skier, and someone who has suffered from Hashimotos thyroiditis. It's awful, and being both hyperthyroid and hypothyroid at different times during my college years have made it very difficult for me to train and compete consistently. Let's quit with all the pseudoscience on this board. At a certain point it just gets so ridiculous.

I have thyroid problems, I've been on medication. It didn't help me to become a better athlete. What kind of testimony do you want from me?

Of course a steroid will improve performance, if it's used properly. That's obvious. But there's no solid evidence to support the claim that thyroxine is a PED, so I don't really understand your argument.

Idiot.....really....the Med student is right.....dealing with thyroid disease is awful, and there really aren't benefits to taking excess hormone other than really messing your body's equilibrium and feeling like a pile of .......you kids need to cut the assumptions and start developing the other half of you brains

How much does it cost ?