*** UCENY FALL VIDEO ***

Kostetskya was in front of Uceny. Uceny grabbed Kostetskya's ass on the way down. Do you mean the other Russian? I think she was on the inside, although she looked pretty steady to me.

The ONLY contact was between Uceny's left foot and the knee / lower right thigh of Aregawi. It's clear to see in slo-mo. The "blow" from the left of Uceny propelled her left foot right-ward, causing it to cross over her right calf. There was no contact with the Russian Kosteskaya or the runner directly behind her.

Aregawi was not trying to move to the outside; she was maintaining her position. No fault can be attributed to another runner. This is all Uceny and the crowded race conditions. Uceny needs to watch the video and then suck it up, maybe even make an apology.

James HArden wrote:

If the fall was indeed caused initially by contact with Aregawi's thigh, that should be considered Aregawi's fault. Nothing she can do about the runners behind her and out of her field of vision.

No. Aregawi was to the LEFT and BEHIND Uceny. Uceny's back kick interfered with a runner who was in her own space. Are you really going to blame Aregawi for getting kicked?

oldXChasbeen wrote:

At first it looked like she tripped over her own feet. But after a closer look I believe Uceny's left foot hit the Ethiopian's right thigh, then Uceny's left foot clipped her own right calf and she went down. It sucks, but I don't think you can blame any other runners.

What do you mean, you just blamed the Ethiopian yourself! The Ethiopian was too close and took out her left foot from the rear. The contact was the fault of the Ethiopian, 100%. You can't blame Uceny for falling when something like that happens.

Thank you hombre. Poor think is just clumsy.

So by that logic, one can advance as far forward as they want towards a runner in front of them, and the runner in front should use some sort of SONAR signals to try and avoid contact?

5k madness wrote:

Cant play this video. On the BBC archive go to 2:14 and watch the chain of events with Kostetskaya almost falling on the inside, affecting Aregawi in front, which leads to her getting too close to Uceny and contacting her leg. The final stumble by UCeny is not her own fault.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

It was Aragawi who clipped Morgan Uceny.

TO HELL, LITERALLY WITH ALL THE INANE UCENY HATERS WHO IMMEDIATELY CLAIMED IT WAS HER FAULT, BEFORE ANY REPLY, OR SLOW MO ETC.

THE BBC SLOW MO SHOWS SHE WAS CLIPPED FIRST.

mcgato wrote:

oldXChasbeen wrote:

At first it looked like she tripped over her own feet. But after a closer look I believe Uceny's left foot hit the Ethiopian's right thigh, then Uceny's left foot clipped her own right calf and she went down. It sucks, but I don't think you can blame any other runners.

That's what I saw also. Uceny's back kick hit the thigh of the Ethiopian causing her to trip. Agree, just contact in a race. Uceny might want to keep closer to the front where extreme jostling is a little less.

Exactly what I saw on the very first viewing of the clip. How people do not see the contact with Aragawi is beyond me. You can see at the 9 - 10 second mark.

You're not watching the right video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsqnz4_fall_sport

It's pretty damning evidence that it's entirely Uceny's fault. She kicks the Ethiopian runner, who is off to the left and behind, with her left foot. Uceny's left foot bounces of the Ethiopian's thigh, and into Uceny's own right calf, causing her to fall, and Uceny almost takes out the Kenyan and the Ethiopian runner.

Nobody clipped Uceny's heel or any of that nonsense. She literally kicked herself in the calf and fell down.

Kostetskya was in front of Uceny. Uceny grabbed Kostetskya's ass on the way down. Do you mean the other Russian? I think she was on the inside, although she looked pretty steady to me.[/quote]

Sorry, I mean the girl in red on the rail behind Aregawi who almost goes down - flails her hand out dramatically about 1-2 seconds before Uceny falls. I think that is what started everything.[quote]livelikeaballer wrote:

common wrote:

No. Aregawi was to the LEFT and BEHIND Uceny. Uceny's back kick interfered with a runner who was in her own space. Are you really going to blame Aregawi for getting kicked?

So by that logic, one can advance as far forward as they want towards a runner in front of them, and the runner in front should use some sort of SONAR signals to try and avoid contact?

Yeah, after rewatching it a bunch of times, the outside of Uceny's left leg clips Aregawi, nearly taking her out. The contact causes Uceny's left leg to come too far over, catching on her right ankle/calf. She then falls forward and nearly takes out Kostetskaya. Aregawi takes several steps to recover from the contact.

common wrote:

No. Aregawi was to the LEFT and BEHIND Uceny. Uceny's back kick interfered with a runner who was in her own space. Are you really going to blame Aregawi for getting kicked?

Worst troll ever. Yes, it's Aregawi's fault for getting kicked. She was too close to the athlete in front of her. The athlete in front cannot be blamed for that.

runmore wrote:

Definately her own fault.

James HArden wrote:

So by that logic, one can advance as far forward as they want towards a runner in front of them, and the runner in front should use some sort of SONAR signals to try and avoid contact?

Dude, this is a very common infraction in athletics racing. It's referred to as "cutting in too soon", and people are DQ'd for it. Uceny is impeding Aragawi, being in front of her and Uceny's back kick is entering Aragawi's space. If Uceny gives herself enough room in passing (or in this case, sitting), no contact occurs. Totally The overtaking runner's responsibility. Those are the rules.

adsfagdfds wrote:

oldXChasbeen wrote:

At first it looked like she tripped over her own feet. But after a closer look I believe Uceny's left foot hit the Ethiopian's right thigh, then Uceny's left foot clipped her own right calf and she went down. It sucks, but I don't think you can blame any other runners.

What do you mean, you just blamed the Ethiopian yourself! The Ethiopian was too close and took out her left foot from the rear. The contact was the fault of the Ethiopian, 100%. You can't blame Uceny for falling when something like that happens.

NO but you can black Uceny for running in the middle of the pack lack that with the bell lap coming. Not good tactics at all. Just asking for something like that and sure enough it happened. No body to blame but herself.

I know what you mean, but the runner behind her was holding her line and was pretty much inert. What should she do, anticipate that Uceny was going to kick her and jump out of the way?

I write this off to incidental contact that is bound to happen when a bunch of runners are bunched up. It happens all the time. Sometimes people fall. That is racing. Happens all the time in cycling too.

adsfagdfds wrote:

common wrote:

No. Aregawi was to the LEFT and BEHIND Uceny. Uceny's back kick interfered with a runner who was in her own space. Are you really going to blame Aregawi for getting kicked?

Worst troll ever. Yes, it's Aregawi's fault for getting kicked. She was too close to the athlete in front of her. The athlete in front cannot be blamed for that.

Morgan pretty much held the same line for the entire race. Aragawi was all over the place. Several times she swung to the outside and up beside Morgan and then would fall back and tuck in again.

Though Aragawi didn't do anything intentionally, it was not Morgan's fault at all.

That video is not conclusive at all. To me, it looks like Uceny was definitely crowding the runner in front of her Solinsky-style. But that angle isn't good enough to tell whether she was hit by the Ethiopian behind her. The Ethiopian did look off balance before Uceny went down, so perhaps there was some contact.

But bottom line... people can debate whether Ali's phantom punch really hit Liston for 5 decades and never come to a conclusion. This looks like a similar situation. Without more angles to look or some good interviews with the athletes, we will never know what really happened.