Makhloufi is an awesome runner.
What an amazing display that last lap.
He is very very good. Especially I like his happy countenance at the start, through the race and the finish. It is good to see this and not being so serious.
Is he clean? Sure, he had a bath in his tent. He's as clean as Paula Radcliffe and better.
Anyway who cares. He's a runner, not a drug company.
Americans are ego-drug-centric.
Let's...
BBC's 2 announcers certainly didn't think he was clean in the semi's and final.
Lord Coe was blushing on BCC cos he couldn't answer the hosts question honestly ("I believe what I just saw was total bullshit and I hope the drug testing catches him").
I mean this was WAY-Y-Y more obvious to everyone than Ramzi.
And it was obvious from the semi on.
The most unanimous "doesn't pass the sniff / eye test" run since Ben Johnson.
Galen Rupp went from years of running 27:30ish to a 26:48 last year, and a silver medal this year. Ryan Hall came out of nowhere to run a 59:43. Leo Manzano went from doing nothing better than a 12th-place finish in a WC final, and missing four finals at other global championships, to a silver medal today.
Oh, right, I forgot, they're all Americans, so it's different.
none of them them look(ed) capable of breaking the wr
this guy has come from virtual obscurity last coupla years ( did run 3'32.9 in '10, so not completely anonymous ) to be a geniune threat to 3'26.00
My gut tells me something is wrong here. I think it was the ease of the separation. It feels like Ramzi or some of the dirty women's 1500s. It looked way too easy. Plus the guy pushed a lot and basically shoved his way into position. It's not a US thing. I doubt Gatlin now and am hesitant about other US sprinters. The US had Flojo, Kelli White, Jones Regina Jacobs and lots of cycling dopers. I doubted a few of them at the time too.Rupp, Hall, etc. improved a lot but never looked like what we saw tonight.Manzanzo has kicked well before and it did not look easy. He and Centro took spots because they waited to the last 200. They did not look like they could have gone 3:26-3:27.
ming ding xiong wrote:
Galen Rupp went from years of running 27:30ish to a 26:48 last year, and a silver medal this year. Ryan Hall came out of nowhere to run a 59:43. Leo Manzano went from doing nothing better than a 12th-place finish in a WC final, and missing four finals at other global championships, to a silver medal today.
Oh, right, I forgot, they're all Americans, so it's different.
I really hope Coe takes this personally and doesn't let it go.
so what's your opinion?
He's not clean
yyy wrote:so what's your opinion?
i don't think it's legitimately possible for a guy to go from maxed-out 3'30.8 to ~ 3'26 shape in less than 3/52
Agree.
ming ding xiong wrote:
Galen Rupp went from years of running 27:30ish to a 26:48 last year, and a silver medal this year. Ryan Hall came out of nowhere to run a 59:43. Leo Manzano went from doing nothing better than a 12th-place finish in a WC final, and missing four finals at other global championships, to a silver medal today.
Years of running 27:30s, then 27:10 for a year, then 26:48 the next year, then a silver medal. Very normal progression.
This dude came out of nowhere, then dominated the Olympics. Very different.
ventolin^3 wrote:
yyy wrote:so what's your opinion?i don't think it's legitimately possible for a guy to go from maxed-out 3'30.8 to ~ 3'26 shape in less than 3/52
THIS is the problem with Makhloufi. His progression on paper is 3:34 > 3:32 > 3:30, but he is not in 3:30 fitness here. I don't know about 3:26, but definitely sub-3:30.
I could run 3:24 tomorrow
I'm just glad he recovered from the knee injury he suffered the previous day during the 800.
I doubt he is clean but I also doubt that the majority of that field was clean. Makloufi just has that good shit that the IOC and the competition does not know about yet.
last 3 years he ran 3:32 > 3:34 > 3:30
I don't think he was happy about slowing down last year.
I usually won't indict someone before any test results, but what I saw on the track yesterday was enough for me to be very sure that he's doped. At that level you just don't look THAT much better than everyone else. It looked like he was a seasoned pro running against a bunch of mid-level college guys.
What bothers me the most is that if he's doped the experience is ruined for most runners in the race no matter what. Manzano will never experience the thrill of being the Olympic champ at the games. Centro won't experience the medal podium and celebrating.
What is Centrowitz's PR? You could say he had a big race as well.
Leo was two seconds behind the leaders with 300m to go and walked down four guys in a period of 60-70m. That looked superhuman.
Does the Alergian have a faster PR than the Americans? Is it more than the second he beat them buy?
The logic here is killing me.
ventolin^3 wrote:
yyy wrote:so what's your opinion?i don't think it's legitimately possible for a guy to go from maxed-out 3'30.8 to ~ 3'26 shape in less than 3/52
Idiot. You're just pi**ed off because no Kenyans got a medal.
There is nothing about his performance and from the splits (which I've posted on the official 1500 thread & can't be bothered to type out again here) which indicates 3:26 ability.
His closing splits (e.g last 800 ~ 1:50.3, last 400 ~ 52.8, last 300 ~ 39.0, last 200 ~ 26.9! (slow), last 100m ~ 14.0!! (very slow and clearly losing form, knees dropping, despite easing last few strides, which would have only slowed him by c. 0.3) were all inferior to EL G's splits in Athens, Bile's splits in Rome, Coe's splits in LA, Cacho's in 92 or Morceli in winning the World's in 91, or does that mean they were all also capable of beating 3:26 on their days!?
Your knowledge of historical stats is either poor or you're just trolling.
rupple stiltskin wrote:This dude came out of nowhere, then dominated the Olympics. Very different.
Define nowhere. He ran a 3:30 leading up to the games and a 3:34 as early as a few years ago.
He dominated the Olympics because the three fastest runners this year came up with nothing. He ended up beating Leo Manzano by less than a second. I don't think that's really domination, unless you really think Leo Manzano is the second-best runner in the world.
To the guy above me, ventolin thinks Makhloufi could break the world record because he went from 1:43.8 ability to 1:43 flat ability on the basis of having soundly beaten Nick Willis. Then, ventolin assumes 47.5 400 ability because the guy is an Arab. Plugged into his calculator, that produces a world-record time, or close to one.