I ran against Henry Rono in a local 5K when he was over 50 yrs old and packing 40-60 extra lbs. I'm his same age, was light as a feather, and had been training my arse off. He exploded off the line, and I only passed him in the last 200m. I ran 19:12. Rono came in about 10 seconds later.
So if a 50+ yr. old who's 40-60 lbs overweight can do it, then the 40-ish yr. old emperor could handle it easily, even with an extra 20 lbs.
Genes.
He could break 20 in an inflatable sumo suit.
I ran with an AFL footballer who was in the books as 168cm (5'6") and 87kg (191-192lb). Pre-season probably more like 90+kg. His body fat would not ever have been over 10% during his playing days.
He would knock out his lap of Princes Park (3.2k) in 12.00 and work it down into the mid 11s getting close to the season.
This guy was a ball of muscle and had incredibly strong legs and could do ridiculously heavy squats. This is different to just whacking on 80lbs of dead weight. His power to weight ratio was still very good. He had excellent circulatory health. His bodyweight was all functional.
Of course 80lb of blubber is a different scenario. Poor power to weight ratio, poor general health and circulation would all cause even the Emperor to struggle to run any distance.
mo'pak wrote:
I ran with an AFL footballer who was in the books as 168cm (5'6") and 87kg (191-192lb)[..]
He would knock out his lap of Princes Park (3.2k) in 12.00
1. Haile is one inch shorter
2. We're talking about 200 lbs, not 191 to 192.
3. 12min 2 miler (3.2km) equals 19:36. Considering how high weight favors shorter over longer distances it is doubtful that this footballer could have broken 20
Nutella1 wrote:
1. Haile is one inch shorter
2. We're talking about 200 lbs, not 191 to 192.
3. 12min 2 miler (3.2km) equals 19:36. Considering how high weight favors shorter over longer distances it is doubtful that this footballer could have broken 20
That footballer is not the greatest distance runner of all time, either.
Nutella1 wrote:
mo'pak wrote:I ran with an AFL footballer who was in the books as 168cm (5'6") and 87kg (191-192lb)[..]
He would knock out his lap of Princes Park (3.2k) in 12.00
1. Haile is one inch shorter
2. We're talking about 200 lbs, not 191 to 192.
3. 12min 2 miler (3.2km) equals 19:36. Considering how high weight favors shorter over longer distances it is doubtful that this footballer could have broken 20
As I said at start of pre-season he was a bit heavier, the 87kg was what he'd weighed in at when the club did a club profile just before season start. In November when he started doing his pre season buildup he may well have been very close to 200lb. This was when he was running 12.00 by the time he'd stripped to his "race" weight he was running around 11.30-40.
I'd agree he would have struggled to run under 20min. but as someone said he was not history's greatest distance runner unlike the Geb. In fact this guy was an 11.0 100m, 22.2 200m, 49.0 400m runner with a 6.80 long jump. Not a distance type at all.
At the 2006 Carlsbad 5000 a 200+ lbs Henry Rono ran 17:52 at age 50.
Henry Rono is 5'8" not 5'5". You'd have to add another 18 lbs (6 per inch) to compare it to Haile's 200 lbs. So would Henry Rono have run 19:xx with 218 lbs?
mo'pak wrote:
As I said at start of pre-season he was a bit heavier
You said "probably".
Nutella1 wrote:
mo'pak wrote:As I said at start of pre-season he was a bit heavier
You said "probably".
Actually I said "probably more like 90+kg."
mo'pak wrote:
Actually I said "probably more like 90+kg."
Point is, you were guessing.
Nutella1 wrote:
Henry Rono is 5'8" not 5'5". You'd have to add another 18 lbs (6 per inch) to compare it to Haile's 200 lbs. So would Henry Rono have run 19:xx with 218 lbs?
In my experience when running with a weighted vest 10kg = 150secs for 5kms so the "extra" 8kgs = 2mins, so yeah he would run 19:xx!
Of course a weighted vest is very different to actual overall body weight as it is dead weight.
Henry Rono would have weighed around 60kg max at the top of his game and he ran 13.06. 30kgs heavier (and 25years older) he was running sub 18m. Less than a min a km loss with an extra 30kgs.
If you'd added a 30kg vest to a peak shape Henry Rono I doubt he would have run under 20mins.
Adding overall bulk to the body and adapting to it over time is very different.
Most studies I've read on the effects of extra weight have used dead weight as a measurement tool so they are not comparable to the effects of someone increasing their body weight.
How do you think Haile ran 2:03? It's obvious he must have run sub-4:40 in practice with a 45-lb weight vest. If he can do that he can run sub-18 with a 80-lb weight vest.
I think the problem here is that Haile couldn't physically put on that kind of weight while still training, even 30-35 mpw or something like that. To put the weight on naturally he would have to stop training for a couple months at least and just pig out. Lets say it takes him 3 months of laying around and eating junk to put on 80 lbs: he's not breaking 20 in that scenario.
However, if we take Haile in his current state of fitness and throw 80 lbs onto him (natural weight, not a weight vest) then I think he breaks 19
blaze of glory wrote:
I think the problem here is that Haile couldn't physically put on that kind of weight while still training, even 30-35 mpw or something like that. To put the weight on naturally he would have to stop training for a couple months at least and just pig out. Lets say it takes him 3 months of laying around and eating junk to put on 80 lbs: he's not breaking 20 in that scenario.
However, if we take Haile in his current state of fitness and throw 80 lbs onto him (natural weight, not a weight vest) then I think he breaks 19
I am amazed by the stupidity of the letsrun posters. You seriously think someone weighing 120 lbs can gain 80 lbs in three months?