What "stuff" are you on? Sheesh.
What "stuff" are you on? Sheesh.
ventolin^3 wrote:
trollism wrote:All irrelevant to my point, moron. (see what I did there?)I was saying that the Russian women and the Kenyan men were all using the same good stuff imported from China. (available in any good health food shop in Nairobi, it seems.)
f*cking idiot
near dozen kenyan men at 3'32/3'33
1/2 dozen ruskie gals at probably only 3'37/3'38 level
moron
they don't compare
the kenyan men are infinitely higher level in terms of numbers/performance
if the ruskies are using "stuff" it sure is shit
Idiot.....
What more do I need to say.
if most posters think they are dirty, why then only specfic events? Maybe, just maybe this is where their talent lies (history shows this to be true)? Seems to me, if a country is successfull at cheating, why not the men's team (800/1500) or other events....wouldn't it show up in all parts of Track and Field? I could go on and on about hypotheticals and what if's.....
I could see pointing to some individuals...but the whole team? Come on!
RuKiddingme!! wrote:
if most posters think they are dirty, why then only specfic events? Maybe, just maybe this is where their talent lies (history shows this to be true)? Seems to me, if a country is successfull at cheating, why not the men's team (800/1500) or other events....wouldn't it show up in all parts of Track and Field?
Perhaps because the Africans are so much farther ahead at the longer distances (5k+) due to their superior aerobic development. It's much easier at the middle distances to compete (see the relatively weaker women's 1500 field last year), so drugs can do a lot more for you.
Not saying that there's some kind of systematic doping with the Russian MD women, but I guess I could see the appeal to focusing on the MD events.
don't you think you are reaching? Come on.....why not cheat in the field events then? Why not the men? Why not the 5/10k? I need more proof....Russian women have always had talent in the 800/1500/steeple, doesn't make sense to me to stop there?
they are just reaping the benefits of a consistent long-term program, good training partners, and a meticulous and religious coach.
RuKiddingme!! wrote:
don't you think you are reaching? Come on.....why not cheat in the field events then? Why not the men? Why not the 5/10k? I need more proof....Russian women have always had talent in the 800/1500/steeple, doesn't make sense to me to stop there?
There has always been a steady stream of busted Russian MD women too, but you think the drug testing is catching all of the wrong-doers, don't you?
if they are using drugs, their drugs are shit
if they were using effective drugs, there woud be 1/2 dozen ruskie gals running 3'50/3'51
where are they ???
keep up the good work, Vento' Your analyses are brilliant.
no I don't, I just don't like the insolation or pointing fingers
VEN-TO-LIN! VEN-TO-LIN! VEN-TO-LIN!
C3PO---ZOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ggg wrote:keep up the good work, Vento' Your analyses are brilliant.
my suggestions here are unremarkable, just that women's distance running is & nearly always has been weak
if we go by 9.5 - 10% difference from 800 - M
1'53.28 ->1'42.98 - 1'43.45
2'28.98 ->2'15.43 - 2'16.05
3'50.46 ->3'29.50 - 3'30.46
4'12.56 ->3'49.60 - 3'50.64
5'25.36 ->4'55.78 - 4'57.13
8'06.11 ->7'21.91 - 7'23.93
14'11.15 ->12'53.77 - 12'57.30
29'31.78 ->26'50.70 - 26'58.06
2"15'25 ->2"03'06 - 2"03'40
paula's M wr is superior to men's, but only because she got pacing full way compared to 30k for men ( 2"03'38 woud be ~ 2"03'00 if paced all the way by a relay team )
for track events, the 3k is almost as good & the 800 isn't bad
Baltic Babe wrote:
Here's the final:
http://www.inf-online.ru/ch12/online/beg/2/w_800_2f.htmSavinova DNS...hmmmm
she said that was the plan, she ran both a 400 and 800 yesaterday and wanted to run only the 400 today.
Net wrote:
You're an idiot. The women's 'real' 1500m record is closer to 3:55 than 3:49 or 3:50, uneven pacing or not.
Wrong. The women's record is 3:50.
it's about 9.5 percent for 100m/400m/marathon, but 11 percent for 200m. but at the time they were run, about 6 percent for Flo Jo's windy 100m. We all know the Chinese doped to the gills at that time but were getting EPO and not training for 800m but up the scales (still running fine 800s). No women other than drugged chinese and eastern europeans have ever come within 5 seconds of the world record in the 1500m. That's why it is a very tough record. Numerous men come within 5 seconds of El G's world record every year. And there are years where NO women even break 4, like last year. The true women's 1500m record is more like 3:55. Even 3:57-58 is filled with proven dopers on the world list.
The most talented American distance woman of all time ran only 3:57, and some even think she was doping for that. That alone tells you how sub-4:00 ranks in the overall scheme. Decker was a far greater talent (but more oft-injured) than Steve Scott, who ran 3:47 for the mile.
jjjjjjjj wrote:it's about 9.5 percent for 100m/400m/marathon, but 11 percent for 200m.
err...
where on earth you get this drivel ?
100 & 200 & even 400 are similar events
the differential shoud be similar
the 200 differential until bolt went 19.19 was very similar to 10%
10.49 ->9.54
albeit unlikely legal wind
21.34 ->19.40
with mj's 19.32
47.60 ->43.27
above almost exactly butch's wr coupla years later ( evan's wr had been overdue for a busting ever since caballo )
but at the time they were run, about 6 percent for Flo Jo's windy 100m
above
We all know the Chinese doped to the gills at that time but were getting EPO and not training for 800m but up the scales (still running fine 800s).
drivel
we don't know epo
& even more drivel - "not" training for 800
why the f*ck not ???
they demolished 1500/3k/10k
they "allergic" to 800 ???
what is point having 3 of 4 distance records but not 4th ???
combo of epo/steroids shouda got them 1'50
why only 1'55.54 with all that "dope" ???
No women other than drugged chinese and eastern europeans have ever come within 5 seconds of the world record in the 1500m. That's why it is a very tough record.
no
because 1500w has been shit for decade+
an unknown ethiopian is running 3'56 & tiru's sister going 3'57 - & she coudn't carry her big sister's jock
3'56 times are shit, but they will win golds by a mile
just shows how shit the event has been for years
Numerous men come within 5 seconds of El G's world record every year
because they are far better quality athletes than the distaff
learn
And there are years where NO women even break 4, like last year. The true women's 1500m record is more like 3:55. Even 3:57-58 is filled with proven dopers on the world list.
more drivel
3'55 was run by boulmerka, a 1-off almost ( apart from the one who "lucked" '00 )
no tradition of 1500 back then in women, but the north african males of aouita/boutayeb/morceli/hicham had at least 1 female follower & with little support she ran 3'55 !
the event is just shit & 3'50wr is the absolute slowest it shoud be to have any respectability - & it doesn't need drugs
Forget El G, Kenyans, Chinese--we've seen this before, nothing before the trials, pop lots of fast times, get busted or can't repeat at the champs. No need to overcomplicate.