1000m Time Trial

twitter me this wrote:What if 2:25 were dropped by a few seconds because it was a time trial and not a race. Can you work the V^3 magic on 2:24, 2:23, 2:22 for 1000?

1'51 with

2'24 ->3'50.4

2'23 ->3'46.1

2'22 ->3'41.9

i woud suggest that the 1k tt was at least 1s poorer than it shouda been ( maybe nearer 2 )

the 1k is notoriously difficult distance to pace/run

the top-3 in all-time lists are significant underperformances

both noah/coe shouda been no worse than 2'11.0 if they'd run their races "perfectly" ( coe because he had actual 1'41.7 speed & noah becuause he had 3'43 endurance, unrested with 3'29.1 just 2/7 before & setting off with suicidal 49.8 opener ( rudisha just went ~ 49.5 in his recent 1'41.7 ))

cram ran 2'12.8 on a cold/windy night which probably cost him 1/2s at least

ventolin... you know... when the results don't line up the theory, it's the theory that needs modified.

what part of

lot of guys here with quicker 1500 times than their 800/1k indicate that their 1k was run poorly &/or they were not in same shape for all 3 races

didn't get thru ?

"yes & unlike lot of the guys here, your times are consistent"

consistent with what?

f*ck off

double talk wrote:

that seems quite low actually, i know the person who is the op, he ran 3:51 over a month ago, his pr is 3:50, plus that 2:25 was a time trial, the 800 a race, i would think 3:45-8 would be feasible with the right race

Double Talk is correct on this information, i didn't have much speed work when I ran the 1500 earlier this year and my pr was was set last year when I only had a 1:53 pr in 800. If it helps I also ran a 9:03 steeple last year. I will post what I run in 1500 this weekend.

ventolin,

I think you're missing a very large factor in your equations. The 2:25 and 1:51 were time trials (the 2:25 was officially a TT, whereas the 1:51 was solo). If the poster has an ounce of testosterone and/or adrenaline in his blood when he toes the line I have a hard time seeing him go over 3:45. Of course, there are other factors. Race conditions, how the race plays out (early pace, someone to kick with at the finish, etc).

Your predictions are probably fairly accurate when you only consider comparable race situations. Predicting races from practice situations is never going to be accurate unless the individual is capable of giving a perfect race effort on command in practice with no one else pushing.

Look at the number of people here predicting low to high 3:40's based on experience. Crap, if I could solo a 2:25 I'd be gunning for sub 3:40 in a race.

Do you have a recent 3 or 5k time?

what i said was that his 2'25 tt looks poor

i've outlined that even the elites have hard time pacing 1ks - both coe/noah split mid-1'44, which is 2'10-mid pace & faded to 2'11.9/2'12.1

i'd like to know if he has some splits for that 2'25 to see if if was reasonably even paced run

yes well said ventolin, it is hardly run outside of high school indoor track

ventolin^3 wrote:

what i said was that his 2'25 tt looks poor

Not to beat a dead horse, but, really?

ventolin^3 wrote:

3'45 is still long way off for you

3'54.6

with some pacing ( drafting ), you may get under 3'55, but you have work to do to get near 3'45

I understand how you're coming up with your numbers, but you plainly predicted a 3:55 based completely on numbers without considering circumstances. I'm just letting you know you missed a huge factor. 58 pace for 1k but barely under 63 with the additional 500m? Don't be ridiculous.

ventolin^3 wrote:

f*ck off

Ventolin, I'm disappointed. I actually enjoy reading your hypotheticals for the elites. I've never seen you post a line of fit for any poster here.

Feel Kung Fu....

how do you think a 1:51 800 guy is going to be feeling at 59.5/1:59 ??

tired... but they'll manage to make it to 1200 in 3:01 on a slightly increasing effort (although they're slowing down).

they're still slowing down...

3:17 with 200 to go

digs deep

3:32 with 100 to go

with a resounding kick... i give 3:45.0

variations in the presentation of the race could leave the guy at 3:44 in my opinion. 3:43 was ambitious.

anyway, i think you use observed data of elite performances to create your lines of fitness. elite athletes do not correspond to college athletes. therefore, the collegiate / road runner data you observe here isn't 'bad'... it's just that your calculator needs modified in some way.

I have not run any 3k or 5ks recently, but my VO2max pace early season was about 2:52-55 per kilometer. My splits for the 1000 were 29 59 1:28 1:57 2:25. My splits for the 800 were 26 53 1:22 1:51. So not ideal splits. I thought my max might have been 2:23 for 1000 with ideal pacing and in a race situation and about 149-1:50 for the 800.

1000m TT wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but, really?

yes

2'25 is not good time for a primary 1500 guy if you can go 1'51

it's 2s shy at least of what woud be expected if you are aiming near 3'45

I understand how you're coming up with your numbers, but you plainly predicted a 3:55 based completely on numbers without considering circumstances. I'm just letting you know you missed a huge factor. 58 pace for 1k but barely under 63 with the additional 500m? Don't be ridiculous.

eh ??

look at coe

1'41.73 & 3'31.95

52.87 pace for 1k

the additional 500 is 56.52

your "extrapolation" is meaningless

eh???

you can't read ???

why don't you look at the top of the page

depends entirely on his endurance

meaningless

without knowing his endurance, you have no way of knowing how tired he'd be going from 1'59 to 3'01

that 1 lap may have knocked all the stuffing out of him if his endurance isn't upto scratch

you might as well juxtapose rudisha for above & target 3'30

eh ???

go read top of page

???????? wrote:My splits for the 1000 were 29 59 1:28 1:57 2:25

splits of

29/30/29/29/28

nice even splits, but best 1k runners usually have significantly slower last 200 - usually slowest of race, whereas your one is fastest of the race ( both noah/coe went low-26 pace for initial 800 & finished with high-27 )

this indicates to me you didn't run a fast enough pace from the gun as you had too much in reserve for last 200

you shouda been barely under 30 for last 200 if you'd run the initial 800 hard enough/pace expected

stop comparing this guy to world record holders.

idiot.

???????? wrote:

I did a 1000m time trial in 2:25, what does this mean for my 1500m time? I have been focusing training mostly on the 1500m distance this season, i also have run 1:51 for 800 in a race by myself.

what have your 1500 times been like this year?

ventolin,

of course i can read.

yes, i saw your line of fit for this guy on the previous page. i think it is the dumbest thing i have ever seen.

i guess what i meant to say is that i have never seen you post lines of fitness for other posters before. this is the first time i've seen you post on a 'predict my time' thread.