ANOTHER FRESHMAN RUNS 9:04 in 3200m!!!!

two kids running Under 9:05

Sounds like the roids are getting spread!!!!!!

Pucker belly toll time wrote:

Looks like there are a lot of freshman minds on the boards who are jealous of this kids skills.

SO NCAA OFFICAILY WILL GIVE ABOUT 20.71 SECONDS OFF A 5K RUN at that elevation.

After looking at the conversion charts it looks like the original estimates are pretty accurate. It was originally said that his performance is somewhere in between 9:04-9:06

It is probably more like 9:05-9:07.

So don't brown your briefs over a second.

Also those that have run Utah and follow track would know that when people run a time on that track and then go low elevation they usually go faster than what the NCAA would gives them.

Just keep an eye on this kid.

Sounds about right to me

Mr. skills wrote:

So I thought you were making that up I looked it up and you are right so this kid is right on Elijah Armstrong's heels.

Looks like He ran the equivalent of a 9:05-9:07 according to NCAA

Unless the NCAA changed its rules, they allow 13 seconds for 3,000 meters at 5,500 (which I, admittedly, think is too conservative based on what I've seen. Two seconds per lap is probably more accurate at that distance and above). However, did this kid run at 5,500'? I'm assuming he ran near SLC, which is @ 4,300'. No way would that get the same conversion allowance as 5,500. I'll maybe give him a sub 9:10, but that's about it. Still impressive for his age. If he ran it at 5,500', then truly impressive as it would be more like a 9:02-0:03.

Somebody show me where the conversion allowance for 4,300' is 13-14 seconds or tell me this kid ran this at 5,500'.

Ok, here's the best I could find quickly from 2009 and the only basis of comparison I could really find is the steeplechase. It allows about 10.75 seconds for Salt Lake City. At least the Denver conversions seem more realistic. I'm sure there is a more recently updated table. Perhaps I will go look later.

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/ncaa-info/2009-outdoor-alt-adjust.pdf

So they give you like 21 seconds for 5k like the person said before.

they give you 12.7 seconds for a 3000m so you get about 13 seconds based off of your post if it is a 3200.

Lets see 9:18-13= 9:05.

Hmm why are we arguing over a time that keeps coming up consistently.

So someone posts and says he ran anywhere from 9:04 to 9:06.

but acknowledge that they didn't know the specifics.

Turns out the estimate was right on.

Then all these people start saying I will give him 9:08

Then someone looks it up and says it is closer to 9:05-9:07 Right on.

Then another person looks it up and finds that they get 12-14 seconds off and says it is under 9:10 which is true it is around a 9:05-9:07 probably right on the 9:05.8 range.

So now that that has been over killed

WOW

CONNOR MANTZ sick!!!!!!

I have to agree most people will run faster at a low elevation race than what they run on that track in Utah. So he gets credit for like a 9:05.

So it looks like he is right with armstrong!!!

I hope they race in the highschool national meet

Having two freshman runners running 9:05ish--

I agree I hope they run Highschool nationals and break 9:00!!

That would be sweet!!!!!

That is a hard 5-6 seconds to take off!!!!

I hope one of them races in a good race to do it.

If the guy is right about connor mantz and he went out a little to fast I would hope he could take off at least 3-4 seconds. Then he would just need 2-3 more to get under 9 min.

What? is going on in virginia wrote:

So they give you like 21 seconds for 5k like the person said before.

they give you 12.7 seconds for a 3000m so you get about 13 seconds based off of your post if it is a 3200.

Lets see 9:18-13= 9:05.

Hmm why are we arguing over a time that keeps coming up consistently.

I'm not challenging the notion that the time is faster at sea level. In fact, I was the first one to rebut the poster that said his 9:18 was worth a 9:18. Just show me the conversion table where you get 12.7 seconds for 3,000 meters from Salt Lake City's elevation (<4,300') or whatever elevation he ran this at. I'm not an athlete who can log in to the new NCAA site, nor can my Mac read the windows based script from the 2012 info (I'm not running parallels). Just show it too me, because if it's true, then the NCAA has gotten looser with their standards, which used to give 13 seconds from 5,500' as of last year I believe. I wonder what it is for Denver now?

Flagpole wrote:

The MOST IMPORTANT question is were there pacers in the race and alongside the final stretch, and was there a barrier or at least cones on the curves? Finally, to be safe, did the starter use the proper starting gun?

THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION is what did the stopwatch say? If it said 9:18.56, then the kid ran 9:18.56. It IS, MIGHT BE, MOST LIKELY IS good for a 9:05 or better, but like the other poster said, 9:18.56 = 9:18.56.

When the kid comes down to sea level and runs 9:04, then come on the board and say he ran 9:04.

Magic 8 Ball wrote:

THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION is what did the stopwatch say? If it said 9:18.56, then the kid ran 9:18.56. It IS, MIGHT BE, MOST LIKELY IS good for a 9:05 or better, but like the other poster said, 9:18.56 = 9:18.56.

When the kid comes down to sea level and runs 9:04, then come on the board and say he ran 9:04.

We know that it is 100% for sure at worst a 9:06

Possibly a 9:05. ( We don't know for sure because the chart only has the adjustment for 3000m.

In math there is a thing called an = sign. It means that What is on one side of an equation is equivalent or equal to something on another side of an equation.

Thus when we was 9:18.56x=9:05 x meaning run at a certain elevation.

It means they are the same and can be used interchangeably.

This is probably why we have this thing called altitude adjustment. So no need to brown your briefs over a guy missing what the kid ran by a second

We don't know 100% for sure at worst it's a converted 9:05-06. Until someone provides the conversion table and the altitude where this kid ran this time, it's up for debate. Why so evasive?

it was the state championships at BYU, where he placed 3rd in the 4A division.

Since we are all hoping, I'll hope that they are running sub-8:40 as seniors.

Summer is her wrote:

I hope this kid isn't a verzbikas or like Alan webb.

Webb looked like a senior in college when he was a senior in highschool.

Yea me too...i mean looking older did horrible things for Webb. He only went on to run an AR in the mile/2mile, to go with a high 1:43, 13:10, 27:34. If only he looked younger in HS he might have actually ended up being pretty fast....

OK, so according to the 2009 conversion table I have from above, and using the steeplechase as a substitute because the 3000 conversion doesn't exist, it's worth 12.35 seconds. So 9:06 and change sounds about right, though I thought the NCAA had admittedly gotten more conservative with their conversions in recent years, only giving 13 seconds for 3000 from 5,500'. If you use the 2009 conversion table provided above, 5,500' is worth about 16 seconds or two seconds a lap, which is what I've always asserted it should be (state in CO used to be held around 5,500').

Anyway, to all who would shun "altitude-converted" performances, there are countless kids who drop their 1600 and 3200 times dramatically when going to sea level, and that's without the benefit of being able to train low to get accustomed to training at a certain speed.