Jordan Hasay beats Katie Flood in 1500 at Pac12s

Anyone who says Jordan doesn't have a kick does not understand track. Jordan is right on schedule in her development.

Tardeded wrote:

She is definitely over trained 100%. Years of this will take its toll.

She needs rest and then high quality focus.

Sometimes is not a good thing to be the work horse.

100% false. She made great progress past year, and this year is looking good. I was somewhat reassured with her last race. It showed she was in pr shape, and not peaking early, just not sub 15:20 shape yet. If she was peaking for the summer, her result should have been exactly what happened. Way too many people peak in early May and then die out. I think she overracted a bit. It's ok to have heavy legs at the beginning of May. Most top athletes aren't running prs in the 5k who will also peak a few months later. Many will pr in the 5k or 10k and fade the rest of the year.

Whether it's in 4 weeks or 4 years she will silence all of you haters for good!

Ha, ha, I think she silenced most of them with today's performance. It's still there, and she's still getting better.

give it a couple more years wrote:

Her best event has been the 1,500. Don't know why everybody thinks she should move up to the 5k.

because on letsrun once you've found your ideal event, it's time to move up. unless you're a marathoner, then you need to move down.

I'm a sprint fan and really don't follow the distance much. But when Jordan runs, I stay glued to my seat. She runs with such absolute ease and little effort, it's hard to describe. It's fun to watch.........almost majestical. Whether she wins or loses, she just seems so much more professional compared to her competition.

She looking pretty sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

troller of trolls wrote:

because on letsrun once you've found your ideal event, it's time to move up. unless you're a marathoner, then you need to move down.

Not just on here, either. At the college level, I recruited and coached a sprinter who was perfectly suited to the 100m--a Renate Stecher type, if that rings any bells--and many other coaches talked to me about when I'd be moving her up to the 400.

The 400? This was a sprinter for whom developing a *200* to match her ability in the 100 was going to be a long-term project. But so many coaches look at an athlete and automatically think about moving him or her up to a longer distance.

College coaches, especially, do this, and the quiet little secret is that they do it so they can show the athlete some progress in the first year or two at college. The fact is that a *lot* of college frosh don't progress in their high school specialties; and college coaches tend to put athletes in new events, (mostly) to avoid embarrassing comparisons with the kids' high school coaches.

A more extreme example: I took over one team and was puzzled when I watched a runner who mostly did the 5,000m during track season--she just didn't look or move much like a distance runner. So at one point I tested the team in a flying 20m, and she was the fastest (top-speed) person in the program! She had simply, through the course of high school and the first two years of college, been moved to progressivley longer and longer race distances--even though she was mediocre in them, at best. Over the next two years she ended up all-East in the 600m, and anchored a 4x100 that went to Nationals.

Point being, it's not the case that someone *automatically* belongs in a longer event as s/he matures. Maybe Hasay *shall* end up a 5,000m, or even 10,000m, specialist, but that shouldn't just be assumed.

I don't think Ritz has benefited from being moved to primarily the marathon, either.

I definitely agree with what you're saying. It seems unfair to say that hasay belongs in the 5k. The few times that she's attempted it, she's bonked. I seriously doubt this is because of a lack of base, either. Her Pac 12 performance really shows that she's finally coming into her own in the 1500. I was surprised and really happy to hear about that win. It shows that she is not washed up or overhyped. It looks like she was just overtraining. Now that she ran that well off of a less intense training block proves to her that she doesn't need to kill it all the time.

And you're also right about ritz. As soon as he ran that 12:56, he should've left the roads for good. It's not a money thing for him, either. I am fairly certain he's okay in that department.

Hassay shouldn't bonk out in the 5000, it's not as if she doesn't run 5-k and 6-k for cross-country and totally kick ass. I agree with an earlier post that she is probably just overworked. She hasn't had any time off since high school. She does cross-country, indoors and then outdoors. I still believe that she has room for improvement. It's just that when you are already at a high level of performance from a young age each new improvement is smaller and takes longer to happen.

On a side note...congrats to Kosinski on winning the 10,000! That's 34+ minutes of watching her sexy body run! Roowr!

This just might have the potential to turn into one of those threads that gains importance by widening its scope. No offense to JH, who ran a great race, but it seems to be taking a turn toward broader and more important issues, some of which she may be demonstrating.

lease is absolutely right about the overdone tendency to move athletes up in distance. He/she is also right about one of the major reasons why. It's one part of the large picture of college coaches who recruit kids, and then either can't or don't develop them. It's simply easier to change their event and reap the credibility benefits of the early chunks of improvement that come naturally when starting anything new. I know I'm dreaming, but we desperately need more coaches at the collegiate level who are willing, and have the guts, to be a little patient and actually do the longer term work necessary to take these kids to the next level in their best event.

(Side note: lease, you also got my attention with the Renate Stecher analogy. Unlike many, I've been doing this long enough to know exactly who and what you mean.)

The other extremely important point that seems to be coming through in both JH's race and this thread is the damage done by overtraining. Again, many coaches have a lot to learn in this regard. As talented and promising as JH is, perhaps her greatest contribution might wind up being a lesson learned from following the crowd.

Not Smelly wrote:

Hassay shouldn't bonk out in the 5000, it's not as if she doesn't run 5-k and 6-k for cross-country and totally kick ass. I agree with an earlier post that she is probably just overworked. She hasn't had any time off since high school. She does cross-country, indoors and then outdoors. I still believe that she has room for improvement. It's just that when you are already at a high level of performance from a young age each new improvement is smaller and takes longer to happen.

Hasay barely raced indoors intentionally so she would be more fresh for outdoors, which included a 9:03 3k pr despite not aiming for indoors. from my opinion she did not bonk in the 5k, she just did not meet her own expectations, which were clearly to go under 15:20. From what i saw it showed she was probably in 15:30 shape (her pr is 15:37 from last year), and hadn't started her taper yet, so being in pr shape at that point, there's nothing wrong with that. I would not be surprised to see her feeling more confident after this 1500, and give it another try and drop a 15:20, or a 4:08 1500 by seasons end. A little patience can do wonders. She and others overreacted too soon.

She a hottie

This guy has it right on. As a coach, she is going to be fine. She has it right on. Lannana knows what he is doing believe me!

he does. jordan is going to rock May and June.