Wheating opens with 3:44.97

Listen with the pacing duties by others and the wind only 8-10 mph it was NOT 5 secs.

Lucas won in 9:14 in the w3000. That's about ten seconds slower than she went through 3K for her 15:08 last weekend. McNamara won the 3K in 8:01, about what he went through 3K at Payton Jordan last week. Windy and slow.

It was slow because these athletes train in Oregon. If they trained in the track and field capital of the world, Los Angeles, they would be running world records by now.

coach d wrote:[/]

The question is not which Ulrey did he beat. The question is which Wheating won. How close to Wheating's present capabilities were on display?

Off present results, Alan Webb has a USATF A qualifier and about 3 seconds to go to meet the IAAF A. Wheating has a lot more than that to go and not a lot of time to get there.

Coach D, you are so dumb. That's the same question. If he beat the 3:35 Ulrey, then we know what Wheatiny it is. If he had a hard time beating a 3:47 Ulrey (which isn't even possible seeing as he ran faster than that) then we know which Wheating that would be.

I agree with rojo. Final times do not always dictate whether it was a good race or not. He opened with a win! Good stuff.

I believe 2k. Can't remember for sure but vin was waving him off on the back stretch.

I've raced Hayward enough to know how it amplifies wind down the backstraight while nullifying it's assistance down the home stretch. 8-10 mph easily converts to 5 seconds there. The only race where anyone ran near their fitness was Mulder's 1:46.

windy citty wrote:

Listen with the pacing duties by others and the wind only 8-10 mph it was NOT 5 secs.

Mid 800m (between 300 and 1100) was just a 2:03...the last lap was 58ish.

If you watch the race, Wheating doesn't look like he's even trying to do anything more than win the race. His final 100m looked as smooth and calm as the stretch from 800m-900m. You can see Ulrey and the rest pulling hard, arms swinging straight and fast, while Wheating looks like he just threw in a slight surge to stay ahead of everyone.

wtf is up with dunbar? that was so weird. he went into like lane 2 and cheered.

Coach d said: "Rojo, take a look at the calendar. It is SEVEN WEEKS to the Olympic Trials.

At this point, it IS all about the times."

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This is the statement of an ignorant person. Today's race was held in cold and windy conditions that were not conducive to fast times. Wheating had his first real race in a year and he won, beating a few decent athletes in the process. No, Coach d, today was not about the times, it was about getting back on the horse and getting comfortable. Wheating has the opportunity to run 4 or 5 more times before the Trials, plenty of opportunity to race for "time".

Having been in Eugene this time of year I can attest that it probably wasn't just 8-10mph winds. There were probably constant and sudden wind gusts happening. I can see how that can drive a runner crazy in a race. If you take a hard pace only briefly and then get hit by a gust, you waste a ton of energy in a matter of a few seconds. That would easily explain how the race looked. It was slow yet all the runners seemed tight and focused just trying to keep a steady pace and not fight the elements.

My sense is that it was just a solid performance by Wheating, nothing more or less. The huge question remains Wheating's kick. Is it there or not? Hard to tell from this race.

suede-denim secret police wrote:

I've raced Hayward enough to know how it amplifies wind down the backstraight while nullifying it's assistance down the home stretch. 8-10 mph easily converts to 5 seconds there. The only race where anyone ran near their fitness was Mulder's 1:46.

Spoken like someone who says things like "my 'PR' is 15:10, but with those amplified winds on the backstretch and nullified winds on the homestretch that run was worth at least a 14:30"

Wheating is fine , if he gets a couple of more races under his belt running as he did here yet a bit faster he's a threat in the trials final.

what wheating and coach probably planned in this race is to go with the pack and kick home for hopefully for the win.

and that is what happened.

so it is a great opener coming off injury, though he'd want o close faster.

if wheating can get in an 147 800m soon, his comeback is on track.

wheating is going to need 48 flat speed in the 400m to qualify in the 800m.

and 145 800m speed to qualify in the 1500.

we'll soon see what is what.

come on now man wrote:

suede-denim secret police wrote:

I've raced Hayward enough to know how it amplifies wind down the backstraight while nullifying it's assistance down the home stretch. 8-10 mph easily converts to 5 seconds there. The only race where anyone ran near their fitness was Mulder's 1:46.

Spoken like someone who says things like "my 'PR' is 15:10, but with those amplified winds on the backstretch and nullified winds on the homestretch that run was worth at least a 14:30"

Seconded!

It is rarely a swirling wind, it is like running into a sudden wall.

There were times it was so bad, coach would say "just do the best you can, focus on effort, not time, the winds going to totally screw up this workout."

I also agree that Wheating looked smooth and comfortable, be was able to gap his competitor with easy effort at will when he needed to.

Too early to worry.

This.Imho Weating was just getting a job done.

Mr. Sinalinalin wrote:

If you watch the race, Wheating doesn't look like he's even trying to do anything more than win the race. His final 100m looked as smooth and calm as the stretch from 800m-900m. You can see Ulrey and the rest pulling hard, arms swinging straight and fast, while Wheating looks like he just threw in a slight surge to stay ahead of everyone.

Spoken like a message board troll who has never run a serious effort in poor conditions, much less at Hayward.

come on now man wrote:

Spoken like someone who says things like "my 'PR' is 15:10, but with those amplified winds on the backstretch and nullified winds on the homestretch that run was worth at least a 14:30"