What are the REAL/UNDOPED World Records?

Don't be so naive regarding the IAAF or whoever the power people may be. Every governing body is crooked in some sense, from domestic to international orgs. Remember the two greeks who got busted around the time of the Athens Olympics? These were what you could call IAAF projects. For the Greek Olympics there had to be some sort of home success, makes for a good story, so these guys were protected. The only reason they were busted when they were was because the Australian's threatened to withdraw from the games unless they exposed, it was such common knowledge! Like fifa who brought the world cup to Africa, they want to increase the popularity of the sport, similarly the IAAF wish to have sporting stars from all over the globe.

If Komen and Ngeny were doped due to association via Kim McDonald then Bob Kennedy was almost certainly doing the same thing as he was part of this group. He also went on to be coached by Dieter Hogan (coach and husband of Pipig) when he made the attempt at the marathon. I have far mire serious doubts about the likes of Rupp, Farah and co, seems unbelievable to me that numerous uk athletes improve so dramatically on going to the US and then can't replicate these performances on returning home. Very dodgy.

All the people talking about the IAAF letting people off I would love for you to present ONE single bit of proof.

I will speculate on only one event, the men's 100m.

IMO the 2 athletes in the modern era who have the best chances of having been clean are Bailey and Surin, both at 9.84, because of what happened with Johnson, because of their career trajectories, and because each of them only ran it one time.

Now, of the guys faster than 9.84, the only ones not to have tested positive so far are Johnson 4.0, Bolt, Powell, Gay, and Johnson 2.0; Johnson 3.0's Rieti 9.78 doesn't count.

There is no question in my mind that Johnson 2.0 was dirty, leaving Bolt, Powell, Gay, and Johnson 4.0

The question is how to judge if they are clean or not...

As everybody by now knows, I have shown that Bailey could have gone 9.6x in Atlanta with max wind, and with the start of which he was capable, getting out with the rest of the field.

So reasoning from the assumption that he was clean, 9.6x under great conditions should be the best possible performance.

This excludes Bolt at 9.58

It also makes figuring out if Johnson 4.0 is clean or not moot, as he is at 9.73 with max wind.

Powell's best with max wind is 9.64

Bolt's 9.69 with max wind is around 9.59, so that's out.

So we are left with Powell at 9.64 (from his 9.72), Gay at 9.69, Bolt at 9.70 (from his 9.72)

Gay and Bolt are legitimate by Bailey standards...Powell? He is right on the edge...in any case, he doesn't have to be specifically excluded, because Gay's 9.69 is ahead of his 9.72, and Gay falls right in the range, perfectly.

So I would say Gay at 9.69 (+2.0) for the men's 100m

knowledge wrote:The only reason they were busted when they were was because the Australian's threatened to withdraw from the games unless they exposed, it was such common knowledge!

of course a powerhouse of sport who woud expect to win 10 - 15 golds woud withdraw because of dopers in 200M & 100W, where they had no one who coud even make the semis...

Sprintgeezer wrote:As everybody by now knows, I have shown that Bailey could have gone 9.6x in Atlanta with max wind, and with the start of which he was capable, getting out with the rest of the field

drivel

he ran race of his life, but lost 0.03/0.04s at the start

that gives him 9.80/9.81 ( 0.7 )

how does that work out to 9.6+ ( 2.0 ) ???

speaker of truth wrote:

800 - 1:41.01.............Rudisha

1000m - 2:11.96........Ngeny

1500m - 3:28.12........Ngeny

Mile - 3:43.40............Ngeny

2000m - 4:48.69........Niyongabo

3000m - 7:20.67........Komen

2 Miles - 7:58.61.......Komen

5000m - 12:39.74......Komen

10,000m - ?...............Hard to say, sure as hell isn't Bekele, Geb, or Tergat though, maybe Wanjiru, but I don't know enough about those kenyans that ran 26:30.xx

So, you KNOW that Bekele, Geb and Tergat were dopers, but Komen wasn't? Please explain how you know this. This should be entertaining.

800m - 1:53.87 - Me

deanouk wrote:

100m- 9.58 - Bolt

200m - 19.19 - Bolt

400m - 43.18 - Johnson

800m - 1:41.01 - Rudisha

1000m - 2:12.18 - Coe

1500m - 3:29.27 - Kiplagat (possibly Morceli's 3:28.86 from 92, but not his 3:27 WR)

Mile- 3:46.32 - Cram (again, possibly Morceli's 3:44.39 from 93, though I think that was the year when EPO really started to flood the athletic world)

2000m - 4:50.76 - Mottram (although several of those above him could undoubtedly have run faster if they hadn't used drugs).

3000m - 7:27.18 - Kiptanui

3000m SC - 7:53.63 - Saif Saeed Shaheen

5000m - 12:48.66 - Issac Songok

10000m - 26:35.63 - Micah Kogo

Marathon - 2:03:38 - Patrick Makau

110H - 12.87 - Robles

400H - 46.78 - Young

Apart from the first 100, 200, 400, I like this list. Notable is that this would also make Webb the 2nd fastest drug free miler in history, if you believe that he is drug free (which I do).

cannot agree with the 100, 200, 400 and 400H...actually cannot stop laughing that someone thinks the performances are clean...

clearing the bs up wrote:

deanouk wrote:

100m- 9.58 - Bolt

200m - 19.19 - Bolt

400m - 43.18 - Johnson

800m - 1:41.01 - Rudisha

1000m - 2:12.18 - Coe

1500m - 3:29.27 - Kiplagat (possibly Morceli's 3:28.86 from 92, but not his 3:27 WR)

Mile- 3:46.32 - Cram (again, possibly Morceli's 3:44.39 from 93, though I think that was the year when EPO really started to flood the athletic world)

2000m - 4:50.76 - Mottram (although several of those above him could undoubtedly have run faster if they hadn't used drugs).

3000m - 7:27.18 - Kiptanui

3000m SC - 7:53.63 - Saif Saeed Shaheen

5000m - 12:48.66 - Issac Songok

10000m - 26:35.63 - Micah Kogo

Marathon - 2:03:38 - Patrick Makau

110H - 12.87 - Robles

400H - 46.78 - Young

Apart from the first 100, 200, 400, I like this list. Notable is that this would also make Webb the 2nd fastest drug free miler in history, if you believe that he is drug free (which I do).

coach dd cooper wrote:

cannot agree with the 100, 200, 400 and 400H...actually cannot stop laughing that someone thinks the performances are clean...

I don't really know anything about the hurdles so I didn't really look at em. On second thought, I'm not sure if I'd say with certainty that kiplagat has the clean 1500m WR, he ran that time in his first european track race ever. That is kind of suspicious.

100 Tyson Gay 9.69

200 Michael Johnson 19.32

400 Michael Johnson 43.18

800 Johnny Gray 1:42.60

1000 Rick Wohlhuter 2:13.9

1500 Bernard Lagat 3:29.30

Mile Alan Webb 3:46.91

2000 Jim Spivey 4:52.44

3000 Steeple Chase Daniel Lincoln 8:08.82

3000 Bernard Lagat 7:29.00

5000 Bernard Lagat 12:53.60

10000 Galen Rupp 26:48.00

Half Marathon Ryan Hall 59:43

Marathon Khalid Khannouchi

110H David Oliver 12.89

400H Kevin Young 46.78

Patriotic American wrote:

100 Tyson Gay 9.69

200 Michael Johnson 19.32

400 Michael Johnson 43.18

800 Johnny Gray 1:42.60

1000 Rick Wohlhuter 2:13.9

1500 Bernard Lagat 3:29.30

Mile Alan Webb 3:46.91

2000 Jim Spivey 4:52.44

3000 Steeple Chase Daniel Lincoln 8:08.82

3000 Bernard Lagat 7:29.00

5000 Bernard Lagat 12:53.60

10000 Galen Rupp 26:48.00

Half Marathon Ryan Hall 59:43

Marathon Khalid Khannouchi

110H David Oliver 12.89

400H Kevin Young 46.78

So you choose the guy who tested positive for EPO as the clean WR holder? LOL

Not to mention he ran 3:26.....

just call me raptor wrote:

800m - 1:53.87 - Me

Nope, that's a doped time. I ran 1:57.22 clean. Pretty sure that's the clean world record.

So far, zero votes for El G, Geb, and Bekele.

coach dd cooper wrote:

cannot agree with the 100, 200, 400 and 400H...actually cannot stop laughing that someone thinks the performances are clean...

clearing the bs up wrote:

Apart from the first 100, 200, 400, I like this list. Notable is that this would also make Webb the 2nd fastest drug free miler in history, if you believe that he is drug free (which I do).

I like how he thinks the Renato Canova coached athlete who sold out his country is clean.

100m - Christopher Lemaitre

200m - Christopher Lemaitre

400m - Jeremy Wariner

800m - Seb Coe 1:41

1500 - Seb Coe 3:29

mile - Alan Webb 3:46

steeple - Simon Vroemen 8:04

5000m - Solinsky 12:55

10000m - Rupp 26:48

Half - Ryan Hall 59:43

Marathon - Ryan Hall 2:06:17

Besides the fact that Geb broke 27 world records, what evidence do you guys have that he doped?

deanouk, so Bolt and Johnson were clean but el G wasn't? Your antisemitism is showing.

I can't remember who posted it, but the all-Caucasian WR list made me lol.