That Guy wrote:
IMO he should train for the 800...anyone know what his training is like right now?
Do you think that he has a chance of making the World Indoor Final? Maybe one chance in 1000? He would have been SECOND in the Heptathlon; he will NEVER be second in any 800 in a World Championship race.
runeleven wrote:
To everyone saying he needs to train solely for the 800...
I've read some articles on Beach and he says he's "addicted" to the decathlon... that he wouldn't feel fulfilled just focusing on the 800.
If he is more motivated to do the decathlon, that's what he should do.
Though I agree he would do great if he focuses on the 8.
Have you ever seen "Happy Gilmore"?
5-15 miles per week
That Guy wrote:
IMO he should train for the 800...anyone know what his training is like right now?
26mi235 wrote:
he will NEVER be second in any 800 in a World Championship race.
Really? And here I thought it was impossible to predict the future. Silly me.
Let alone the top end range of a guy who runs 1:47 on almost zero distance training.
And honestly, using the indoor HEP? What was second place at World Indoor in the 800 this year? 1:48.62? But, no, you're right, a 1:47 outdoor guy with no training could NEVER sniff that.
was it this race?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abxUL7zz1nI
leftyy wrote:
Alan Webb ran a middle 12.4 100m in a 1500m once.
Webb >>>> Beach
What exactly is distance training. Perhaps the training he is doing is superior to "distance training".
Beach is a decathlete. If he was the number one long jumper in the nation no one would say he should quit the decathlon to train for the long jump. It is just because there are not any really good 800 runners in the United States with world championship aspirations so anytime there is someone that the internet world thinks will bring back middle distance glory to the USA they think he should do it.
Beach could make it to NCAA's in the 800 and may even make it to the finals. And training exclusively for the 800 he may even make it to the world championships. However right now he is the favorite to win the NCAA title in the Decathlon, and depending on Bryan Clay's health he is the number three decathlete in the USA, and possibly top 5 in the world THIS YEAR!
Ashton Eaton could have made it to the first round of the NCAA championships in 8 different events but no one talked about him giving up the decathlon and picking an event. Beach could make it in the 400, 800, (probably 1500), Long jump, and high jump. HE IS A DECATHLETE!
Beach will not compete at NCAA this year 2012.
Very Interesting wrote:
theword wrote:From my understanding he solely does decathlon training and rarely if ever runs more than 15 miles per week
If that is true just imagine what he could if he increases his mileage and started training like an 800 guy. He obviously has at least 1:45 ability based on this. That much we can be sure of, but we can only speculate on what is true potential would be. I am willing to guess that it is at least in the 1:43 range. The guy is a mid-distance runner and just doesn't know it.
1:43 range would NOT make him a mid distance runner. As another poster said, he is a decathlete. If he stays healthy, he will be more competive in the decathlon than even if he went 1:43.5 in the 800, which is no easy feat to go 1:43.5 for any mega talent.
hate to say it, because beach may be the most talented middle distance runner in this country below the pro ranks right now, having hammered top 800m runners with little training, but he is already in range of olympic medal contention in the decathlon and will likely get silver or gold in rio in the decathlon. eaton is a huge, huge roadblock, though, maybe the best ever.
Some of y'all are acting like Beach doesn't have any competition at the NCAA level when Isaac Murphy of Texas scored 8,067 points at the Texas Relays which Beach didn't finish. Plus, come time for NCAAs, Beach will likely have to battle with several top contenders in addition to Murphy including Horn, Lazas, Nixon, Felix, Martin and Olson.
runeleven wrote:
If he is more motivated to do the decathlon, that's what he should do.
Using that reasoning, Michael Jordan should have stuck with baseball.
I think NCAA is Beach's meet to loose, his PRs add up to over 8200 and that is with no improvement in 1500 or javelin from last year to this year.
However it would not surprise me if he did not do the Decathlon at NCAA's this year. Beach needs an Olympic A standard of 8200 points this year. So if he does not get it at ACC's then his only other two shots are at NCAA's and the Olympic Trials. If he competes at NCAA's and does get the mark, the odds are he will not finish top three at the Olympic Trails because of the quick turn around between NCAA's and the Trials.
So his best chance of making Olympic team this year is to go for 8200 at ACCs in two weeks, then skip NCAA's and concentrate on getting top three at the Olympic trials to secure his spot on the team.
Just in case no one noticed, no one that competed at NCAA's last year did as good at the USATF Championships as they did at NCAA's.
Saca la lengua wrote:
CB won the 110 hurdles earlier in the day. Getcha some of that.
No he did not he finished 3rd in his heat...getcha some of that!
Thanks for the video.
Looks like someone tried to pull him out too hard and make it an endurance race. To his credit, he didn't fall for it.
In any case, he was also rigging pretty badly in the last 100. It would be fun in a fantasy-league-kinda-way to see what he could do with real distance training, but I fully understand that the need to concentrate on the decath.
just an outsider looking in wrote:
Just in case no one noticed, no one that competed at NCAA's last year did as good at the USATF Championships as they did at NCAA's.
did as well
LRC your welcome.
beach's trajectory in the decathlon is steep, so the fact that others can still compete with him for ncaa, when he was far behind initially as a freshman, does not mean that he is not a strong candidate to make the American team for the Olympics this year and be close to 9,000 in four years. at 800m, didn't he beat Andrews in high school? he could be where Andrews is now if he dedicated himself to the 8.
jjjjjj wrote:
beach's trajectory in the decathlon is steep, so the fact that others can still compete with him for ncaa, when he was far behind initially as a freshman, does not mean that he is not a strong candidate to make the American team for the Olympics this year and be close to 9,000 in four years. at 800m, didn't he beat Andrews in high school? he could be where Andrews is now if he dedicated himself to the 8.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely a Beach fan. I always pull for the decathletes who are good at mid-distance. I do think he has a shot at making the team, but if Clay is anywhere near his 2008 self, say in 8,500 or even 8400 shape, Beach won't be able to touch that. I'd be surprised if Beach gets past 8200 this year.
As far as getting close to 9,000 in four years, even with a lot of work I don't see how Beach will be able to be anywhere near a strong enough thrower to flirt with the 9000 barrier.
3200guy wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely a Beach fan. I always pull for the decathletes who are good at mid-distance. I do think he has a shot at making the team, but if Clay is anywhere near his 2008 self, say in 8,500 or even 8400 shape, Beach won't be able to touch that. I'd be surprised if Beach gets past 8200 this year.
Clay has only completed a decathlon in one of the past 3 years. I don't have a lot of confidence that he can be healthy this summer.
Engrishman wrote:
just an outsider looking in wrote:Just in case no one noticed, no one that competed at NCAA's last year did as good at the USATF Championships as they did at NCAA's.
did as well
LRC your welcome.
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