Kevin Castille 28:57 10k at age 40!

Definitely a great run! Sub 29 at forty is impressive, regardless of how fast others in their mid thirties are running. If I am not mistaken he ran 14:01 indoors this year....it will be great to see him go sub 14:00 outdoors.

Good lord! You mean that U.S. distance records are SLOWER than the World Records??? The sagacity of this message board never fails to imp[ress!

Seyta wrote:

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Calling Lagat a Kenyan is silly. He arrived here as slow as any of the upper college guys didn't he? German Fernandez might have been a better freshman than Lagat. Don't know for sure. Maybe someone can provide Lagat's freshman times.

Don't get it wrote:

Relax 40 year olds.

I wasn't hating on his performance. I just dont find it that impressive when there are people his age splitting that in marathons (if Tergat ran that time when he was 40). That doesn't mean I'm hating. I don't see how you see it's that impressive either when someone can do it 4 times in a row.

Chill and think about it for a second. It's a soft record. It's like getting excited over a "fastest time so far this year in the world" in January.

Congrats to him on his pr.

You were hating on his performance... And you are bad at math. First off, tergat ran 2:10 which is very impressive, more impressive than 28:57... But also no where near 28:57 pace. In fact the world record in the marathon is a slower pace than the new masters American record for 10k.

The dude just did something that has never been don in a country of over 300 million people.

No, I was not hating.

And the world record pace is like right around 29 flat so I don't know what you're talking about there (unless my math is wrong). And his 28:57 is not that far from 2:10 pace... Especially when you consider that it's being run 4 times in a row.

I said congrats. It's a significant achievement, but not as impressive as some of you are making it out to be. But of course that's all subjective I guess.

Here's the math:

130 X 60 = 7800

It takes 7800 seconds to run a marathon in 2:10:00, which is around the time that Tergat apparently ran when he was 40, according to previous posts on this thread.

7800 / 42.2 = 184.8 (rounded)

It takes 184.8 seconds to run a kilometre at 2:10:00 marathon pace.

184.8 X 10 = 1848

It takes 1848 seconds to run 10 kilometres at 2:10:00 marathon pace.

1848 / 60 = 30.8

It takes 30.8 minutes, which is 30 minutes and 48 seconds, to run 10 kilometres at 2:10:00 marathon pace. At the risk of stating the obvious, that's about 1:50 slower than Castille's new PR.

Using the same math, but for the marathon WR:

123 X 60 + 38 = 7418

7418 / 42.2 = 175.8 (rounded)

175.8 X 10 = 1758

1758 / 60 = 29.3

It takes 29.3 minutes, which is 29 minutes and 18 seconds, to run 10k at marathon WR pace, which is about 20 seconds per 10km slower than Castille's new PR.

Actually, Castille's PR is 28:49 from 2004.

Don't get it wrote:

Relax 40 year olds.

I wasn't hating on his performance. I just dont find it that impressive when there are people his age splitting that in marathons (if Tergat ran that time when he was 40). That doesn't mean I'm hating. I don't see how you see it's that impressive either when someone can do it 4 times in a row.

Chill and think about it for a second. It's a soft record. It's like getting excited over a "fastest time so far this year in the world" in January.

Congrats to him on his pr.

You aren't very good at math are you?

Don't get it wrote:

Calling Lagat a Kenyan is silly. He arrived here as slow as any of the upper college guys didn't he? German Fernandez might have been a better freshman than Lagat. Don't know for sure. Maybe someone can provide Lagat's freshman times.

What is an "upper college guy"? Yes, German was a better freshman than any other 18-year-old American freshman in world history, besides Verzbicas. Think about it for a minute, you will get it.

Don't get it wrote:

No, I was not hating.

And the world record pace is like right around 29 flat so I don't know what you're talking about there (unless my math is wrong). And his 28:57 is not that far from 2:10 pace... Especially when you consider that it's being run 4 times in a row.

I said congrats. It's a significant achievement, but not as impressive as some of you are making it out to be. But of course that's all subjective I guess.

WR marathon pace would be 29:17.8 for EACH 10k segment.

A 2:10:26 marathon would be 30:54.5 for EACH 10k segment.

Is something impressive only if it outdoes the greatest of all time? Most of us can appreciate how good a 28:57 is in an absolute sense, and the smart ones can appreciate that it is even better at 40.

Don't get it wrote:And the world record pace is like right around 29 flat so I don't know what you're talking about there (unless my math is wrong).

So now that someone has helped you with that third-grade arithmetic, are you going to revise your opinion of whether the run was impressive? Or was your opinion actually totally independent of your supposed rationale ("It's not impressive because people split that in marathons").

Seriously, reading this thread, all I could think was "What's wrong with this guy? What would make someone pick this particular battle to fight?"

Age graded it is worth 27:22, and as an age graded performance it gets a 96.25%. Anything over 90% is world-class.

age-graded performances are way too optimistic.

Often age-graded performance are suddenly faster than the WR

and done by runners who run half the mileage elite runners.

Masters running is still in its infancy. Not professional yet.

His lifetime PR is only a few secs faster.

But is a superb performance by Castille, no doubt.

Fat Joe wrote:

Big difference between 35 and 40. Even 37 and 40. You'll see.

This is it. I'm 48 and it's amazing how much you will slow down from 35 to 40, then 40 to 45, etc. So young foolish grasshoppers, best to shut your mouths until you gain the wisdom of age and experience. Or can run a sub 29 10k at age 40. Either one would be quite impressive.

When put into perspective, the 28:57 isn't particularly impressive.[/quote]

Good God you are a complete idiot. When you reach 40, go out and try to run 28:57 pace, see how long you last, then post something that stupid.

People who say that "Masters track is in it's infancy" know little of the sport and how it really works. Lucien Rault was running 28:33 **35 years ago**, when Jack Foster was running 2:11-low and winning a silver medal in the Commonwealth Games. The only other man to run faster was an admitted Finnish doper from the '80's.

It's been twenty years since Coghlan went sub-4:00, and the predicted flood of sub-4:00 Masters has never materialized (just ask our own Tony Young how elusive that goal is at 40).

Masters track is never going to have the prophesied "re-write the record books" flood of talent, with the possible exception for Masters women and VERY old masters, such as Ed W. Event there, I'll believe it when I see it. Masters running is too damn hard and unrewarding materially to ever see the kind of participation (and systematic group training and yes, doping) that open pro running went through in the '80's and '90's, or even with HS and college running in the last decade.

how many masters runners train professionally? Most of them have kids and a career/job going. There are a few exceptions

but generally it lacks depth. If Geb keeps running two more

years, he can probably still run a marathon below 1:02.

it is pretty impressive---as a previous poster noted, the decline year over year from 35-45 is pretty steep--just look at other sports-many guys can be very productive at 35, very few at 40--its just the human life cycle---as a Masters runner myself, and someone with a modicum of pedigree(9:0X HS)--and who has trained relatively seriously as a Master, I can really appreciate how good that is----i am not a fan of age group or age grading, but as a runner you sit back and can appreciate what Kevin has accomplished

Making Kevin's time all the more impressive is he took down Masters great Paul Aufdemberge's record by more than a minute! Castille is the first sub 30 10K by an American Masters runner.

Dave