All things considered, that was a good run for Rupp.
All things considered, that was a good run for Rupp.
It could have been worse, he could have ran like O'lionard.
A good race for Rupp, but nothing unexpected. In the race where his training partner Mo fell, he said he tried to slow the pace some to allow him back in the mix, and still ran a 3:57 mile. I'd guess he could run 3:55 or just under in an evenly paced/rabbited race, which is about on par with a lot of top Olympic 10,000 runners.
So the real question is, can he improve his speed to more like 3:53, and be able to close a quick but tactical Olympic final, possibly under 27:00, with a 4:00 mile? That's possibly what it would take to medal. I'm rootin' for him (and Ritz and whatever other American is on the team).
Correct. And it is brave of him to take on the milers and
get some speed work done. He will medal at London 2012.
Will medal in 2012, London? Certainly not in the Olympics. Nothing against Rupp, by the odds are long indeed.
If WADA does a good job, he will medal.
ggg wrote:
If WADA does a good job, he will medal.
Quite the opposite. If wada does a good job, he won't medal. Same with Mo farah, if you catch my drift.
JR--
I have no idea what your post is supposed to mean.
I want Rupp to do well. I am looking for signs of hope that he will be able to compete in the finishing kick in London. He COULD have shown something here, or not, I don't know--I haven't seen the race.
I was just asking.
It seems like you are trying to pick a fight where none exists.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
JR--
I have no idea what your post is supposed to mean.
You said Rupp is too slow for 100 FAT; also you're much faster than him for 100 FAT, so I'm interested to hear how your theories work out in practice. Do you run faster or at least finish faster than Rupp in a 10k? If so, what is your fastest 10k, and what is your fastest last mile/2k in a 10k?
I want Rupp to do well. I am looking for signs of hope that he will be able to compete in the finishing kick in London. He COULD have shown something here, or not, I don't know--I haven't seen the race.
What signs are you looking for, a faster 100 FAT time than yours?[/quote]
It seems like you are trying to pick a fight where none exists.
Well I always thought the person who got from the start to the finish in the fastest time would win the race, and you seem to think differently - as to others - and I find this quite curious.
I still don't get what you're driving at.
The fastest time in a tactical race goes to the best tactician, and part of being the best tactician is the ability to EXECUTE the chosen or required tactic, which can be in some instances an instantaneous acceleration, or a brief burst of very high speed, even if it is followed by a sustained higher speed for the last 400m or so.
What's the problem with asking if Rupp demonstrated it in this race? Just because I don't think he has the ability does not mean that I don't question my own belief. I didn't see the race, and even if I had, you guys might be better than me at being able to read what happens in such a race.
You know exactly what I'm asking. Was there a decisive moment? Did he try to respond? How did he try to respond? What was the outcome? Was it an instant, or was it spread out in time? How was his performance relative to that of others? Did he look bagged like at nationals? IS THERE POLLEN IN ISTANBUL?
Sprintgeezer wrote:
I still don't get what you're driving at.
The fastest time in a tactical race goes to the best tactician, and part of being the best tactician is the ability to EXECUTE the chosen or required tactic, which can be in some instances an instantaneous acceleration, or a brief burst of very high speed, even if it is followed by a sustained higher speed for the last 400m or so.
The fastest time goes to the person who runs the fastest from the start, to the finish, i.e. the fastest time from the start to the finish.
What's the problem with asking if Rupp demonstrated it in this race? Just because I don't think he has the ability does not mean that I don't question my own belief.
It would be silly to wait to demonstrate a 100 FAT time, in a race of 1500 meters.
Was there a decisive moment? Did he try to respond? How did he try to respond? What was the outcome? Was it an instant, or was it spread out in time?
The decisive moment was the start of the race. He didn't respond well, as the 800 was a slow 2:04. The outcome was that he didn't qualify. He did respond at 800m but the race was more than 1/2 over at that point, way too late to begin responding.
When you run 100 FAT, do you jog the first 90 meters, and sprint the last 10?
J.R. wrote:
The fastest time goes to the person who runs the fastest from the start, to the finish, i.e. the fastest time from the start to the finish.
That includes the finish. And if you want to run with the big boys...
It would be silly to wait to demonstrate a 100 FAT time, in a race of 1500 meters.
Watch the last 100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvgxVjO-8oThat was an 11.6-11.7 100, at the end of a 1:46 800, at the end of a 3:34 1500. That's why speed matters.
The decisive moment was the start of the race. He didn't respond well, as the 800 was a slow 2:04. The outcome was that he didn't qualify. He did respond at 800m but the race was more than 1/2 over at that point, way too late to begin responding.
Get real here. The race starts in 2:04...and the guy can't respond? We're not talking DIII here. This is the world championships and they ALL start like that. If he wasn't prepared for that kind of pace, he should not have been there.
By the USATF Level II sprint charts, a 9.9 second 90 meter flying sprint (10.9 minus 1 second for 100m down to 90m) is equivalent to:
11.8 100m FAT
24.2 200m FAT
And there are plenty of HS girls that can sprint faster than that. That's why he can't run with those guys (or guys like Lagat as you saw at USATF Indoors).
I don't see how anyone can take anything bad from this. Rupp has never been a great miler and he drew a bad heat, but his last 700 was in about 1:38-39 (1:53 pace). How much faster could he possibly close when his outdoor 800 PR is 1:50?
I think it's possible that he medals in London if the race goes out fast. Not very likely, no, but that's true of pretty much everyone.
Sprint Geezer knows kicks. He's seen quite a few in his day.
I catch your drift: you think Mo Farah is on the juice!
If you are a 10k runner racing 1500, take it hard from the gun!
2:04? What was this kid thinking?
This is why he didn't take it hard from the gun:
800m 252 Egor Nikolaev RUS 1:58.28
1200m 115 James Brewer GBR 2:56.44
7 252 Egor Nikolaev RUS 3:43.33
11 115 James Brewer GBR 3:47.58
coach d wrote:
That was an 11.6-11.7 100, at the end of a 1:46 800, at the end of a 3:34 1500. That's why speed matters.
Because it was a race of 100 meters - uhuh, right. So you're agreeing with me. Rupp probably can't run 3:34 anyway, but he would have placed higher and run faster by not waiting for the last 100 of the race. He did not RACE a 1500 meter, which you already know and are pointlessly trying to argue about it.
The race starts in 2:04...and the guy can't respond?
Sigh, I see that I'm talking with an idiot. The race started when they left the start line, not at 2:04. Otherwise it would have been a 700m race, which is what it turned into anyway, actually a 600 + 100.
By the USATF Level II sprint charts, a 9.9 second 90 meter flying sprint (10.9 minus 1 second for 100m down to 90m) is equivalent to:
11.8 100m FAT
24.2 200m FAT
WTF? It was a 1500m race, not a 100!
And there are plenty of HS girls that can sprint faster than that.
How fast do they run for the mile?
That's why he can't run with those guys (or guys like Lagat as you saw at USATF Indoors).
Because Lagat runs like a HS girl?
We just need to get Usain Bolt to run 1500m and 10000m, then he would show Lagat and Rupp how to race.
You have to wonder whether it was really worth Rupp flying half way round the world for that. He had zero chance of doing well - what was the point? Better to stay at home and focus on training for events that he has a better chance with.