high mileage, low intensity is their mantra
that's why a multitude of schools dominate Cornell's mid D program. It's middle of the pack in heps
high mileage, low intensity is their mantra
that's why a multitude of schools dominate Cornell's mid D program. It's middle of the pack in heps
thebigquestions wrote:
high mileage, low intensity is their mantra
that's why a multitude of schools dominate Cornell's mid D program. It's middle of the pack in heps
This seems like it directly contradicts what the CU guy above you posted. It also goes against what other Cornell runners have told me.
Its probably there because we're all looking to see what he has to say. Because he's not responding it just makes him look like A) A sissy who's too scared to actually talk about his coaching, or B) A sissy who's too scared to talk about his coaching.
Waiting for it...
what a great thread!!
What do you think thier (sub 1:50 guys @ Cornell) mile capability right now is?
Sub 4:05?
Cornell mid-d guy, if you really are on the team, don't worry about coming on here to defend your rojo.
Robert does really great things with 800 guys. If there
is anything different that the Cornell mid-d group does its probably running more/longer tempos. Mileage-wise, the mid-d group always varied a ton from one guy to another. Not sure if it applies now, but the mid-d guys used to lift a small amount as well where the pure distance guys almost never did.
THe Ivy League is so stacked this year, it's really fun to watch. Hopefully, we have some teams in the mix at Penn. The Freshman we have is a boss. If he can manage to not get DQ'd out of more than one Heps win we may have a superior version of Jimmy on our hands!
Thanks Bruce Hyde
thebigquestions wrote:
a multitude of schools dominate Cornell's mid D program. It's middle of the pack in heps
Look at the mid d results from 2005 to 2009 heps and get back to us. Cornell has scored a shit ton o' points in those events over the years. 1-2 in the mile and the 1k in 2005. How about 2-3-5 in the outdoor 800 in 2006 without Wyner, all 3 in 1:50.xx. Lots of mid d points in 2008. Conference champs in the 800 and mile and DMR in 2009 indoors plus 2-3 in the 1k. Plus Hine winning the 5k for the 2nd year in a row.
The difference now is the league has become lopsided in recruiting focus. Cornell gives more spots to jumpers and sprinters/hurdlers. Columbia crushes the mid d stuff now because almost all of their men's roster is mid d and up guys. They concede the men's jumps but it's clear from their women's jump results that they can have champions if they want to recruit good jumpers. They just recruit a boatload of really good mid d guys.
Let's take a little peek at these rosters, shall we? The fastest 1,600 recruit currently on Cornell's team is Ben Potts. He ran 4:14.14 in high school. Here's the list of Columbia's current guys who ran faster.
Everett 4:06.91 mile
Tansey 4:08.11
Merber 4:12.11 mile
Jones 4:13.20 mile
Cousins 4:12.41
Feigen 4:14.68 mile
Behnke 4:13.17
Adams 4:13.29
Composto 4:15.03 mile
Gregorek 4:15.18 mile
Brennand 4:14.09
That's 11 1,600 recruits faster than Cornell's fastest. A few of them were way faster. None of Cornell's recruits were even in the same ballpark as Everett, Tansey and Merber in high school. And Princeton's long distance recruits are even more ridiculous. Don't think it matters what you start out with? Then I'll pick Robby Andrews, Andrew Wheating, Charles Jock and Nick Symmonds for my 4 x 8 and you can choose from the Ivy League to make your 4 x 8. Good luck, pal.
So teams kick ass in the areas they focus their recruiting on. Cornell's doing it more in the jumps, short sprints and multis. Plus that national level thrower. Princeton focuses most on long d plus they fill out an event here and there with a few other studs like McCullough, Slovenski, Hollomon and Hopkins. Columbia does almost nothing but mid d and up. Tons and tons of guys for a huge talent pool. Wisconsin and OK State do it in cross. A&M and Baylor do it in the 4 x 4. TCU was doing it in sprints in the late 1990s. No surprises. When the heps playing field was more even in mid d recruits, Cornell had plenty of seasons where they cleaned up. This season they did it in the high jump. Partly because they're always been really really good at coaching jumps, but also because other teams concede the major high jump points to Cornell and the Penn guy and focus their recruiting in other events.
Squats are probably the best lift you can do for running, so I'd hope so.
D3 Jamz wrote:
Squats are probably the best lift you can do for running, so I'd hope so.
Nope, wrong. 160 mile weeks are the best. Even for 400m runnerz.
ain't nothing wrong with going slow. I ran with a 1:53 D3 guy last summer who usually went 8+ min/mi pace.
Bruce Hyde has posted.
I was going to demand that Rojo respond. Now I'm curious about Mr Hyde. Are the rumors of a comeback true?
I thought that according to LR theology 800m runners should all be running 100mpw.
EZ10Miler wrote:
I thought that according to LR theology 800m runners should all be running 100mpw.
I don't think thats true. Obviously, as lydiard disciples we wouldn't be opposed to an 800m runner training at 100mpw during base phases. That doesn't mean that every 800m guy should. Basically, if you have an 800 guy that can handle running 100mpw without compromising other parts of his program you're going to have a stud on your hands.
In my experience, Rojo has his runners on pretty individualized programs. I don't remember Jimmy running all that much volume when he got to school, by the end of his career he was hitting 100mpw every once in a while. He was also pretty good at xc by that point. Though, i will take it to my grave that his best time on VCP was done on a short course and it shouldn't count as a school record.
Rojo doesn't actually write any of the workouts, he just does what Kellogg tells him to do.
thetruth123 wrote:
Rojo doesn't actually write any of the workouts, he just does what Kellogg tells him to do.
lol, if that was true the guys would never run a race. Kellogg has a big influence on workouts but he's not the most... how can i say this..."practical" guy when it comes to scheduling workouts/races. JK is more of an idea than a man, like a unicorn.
wait, cornell has a unicorn coaching them? isn't that cheating?
Would you prefer the term "mystical cyber-Lydiard swami"?
They don’t get good recruits because instead of calling kids like most coaches, kids have to call them to talk to them. They say it’s because they’d rather focus on coaching than recruiting. Or maybe running the website just took the place of recruiting
I heard that once they started wearing Vibrams, all their injuries and soreness mysteriously vanished. This is the secret to any runner's success.
BTW, why do my non-offensive, light hearted comments get deleted? Are we not able to be funny (or try) at all? Sheesh. It's just a name, I'm not actually a troll.
Please Mr. Rojo, we would like to hear what you have to say