What is your 5k time and the altitude would affect you to
What is your 5k time and the altitude would affect you to
How is 12:50 not believable for either of them. You dont "need" to be able to run 3:30 to run 12:50 or vice versa.
Makes me laugh that anyone would think 12.50 is possible for either of them... they have only run 8.08 and 8.09 for 2 miles. What a stupid thing to say.. 12.50, they wish!
wuzthere wrote:
The 200m workout is balooney. Lots of 800 and 1500 guys can do it. I find it hard to believe these guys did it though. When I ran 1.50 point, I could do 8 of them at the 25 point with 45 to 60secs rest, all depended how fast I jogged the 100m rest. I knew 1.46 guys who could do 8 of them at 24 point off of short rest. I know a 1.44 800 guy who ran 8x300 at 37 with the same 100 rest. Nick Symmonds tried to do the workout with him in Belgium. He only made it to number three or four. To run 15 200m at 25 with 100m rest, would indicate 1.45 at worst for 800m, really more like 1.44 would be expected. Those guys must have walked a 100m rest in 2mins for them to do this workout.
These guys can't be compared to 800 or even 800/1500 types, much less Nick Symmonds. If 8/15 guys could do 5000m worth of fast work, they wouldn't be 8/15 guys.
No, I don't believe it. They are just making it up to impress letsrun message board posters.
What an idiotic thread.
8x300 in 37 off 100 jog!! I find that harder to believe than the 8x1200m session.
The first sessions is an 800m session run at 1:38.6 pace, by an athlete only able to run 1:44
The second is a 5km session run at 13:07 pace, by athletes capable of running under 13min.
The 12 x 200m session they ran, probably had the last few reps run in 25sec and that is what the person writing the article used for an average.
Anyway, looking at a workout in isolation is always very dangerous, as you have no idea what the days, weeks either side looked like. The 8x1200 may have been their only workout for the week...or it may have been the 3rd one of the week.
hmjahs wrote:
Makes me laugh that anyone would think 12.50 is possible for either of them... they have only run 8.08 and 8.09 for 2 miles. What a stupid thing to say.. 12.50, they wish!
I mean, Farah has run 12:53 off a 53 second last lap...
Rupp's 26:48 converts to 12:54. There's no reason to believe they couldn't both run 12:50 this year.
Saul Goodman wrote:
those workouts would indicate something like 12:50, 3:30 - which are relatively believable for Farah (again, not taking the elevation into consideration) but Rupp is way off unless he's a workout warrior.
Wow, I hope you're joking but it sure doesn't appear to be the case.
MVRunner wrote: world-class athletes have such a high stroke volume and their blood moves so quickly, it's harder for them to fully saturate their blood with oxygen than it is for average folks. Thus, world-class athletes see a *larger* drop-off in performance at altitude. For instance, an average person might be able to fully saturate his blood up to 3,000 feet, and wouldn't see the ill-effects of altitude until he exceeded that level. But a world-class athlete, who struggles to fully saturate his blood under the best of circumstances, might see his performance decrease at *any* altitude above sea level.
You are insane. I think you need to learn about the Oxy-HB curve and the uploading of oxygen for anyone during exercise.
MVRunner wrote:
Because world-class athletes have such a high stroke volume and their blood moves so quickly, it's harder for them to fully saturate their blood with oxygen than it is for average folks.
Because the sun is bigger than the moon, it is actually colder, and it's the moon that keeps the earth warm enough for life to prosper.
/ fairy tales
Thank for calling me insane and heaping scorn on me. I'd refer you to Gore, C. J., Hahn, A. G., Watson, D. B., Norton, K. I., Campbell, D. P., Scroop, G. S., Emonson, D. L., Wood, R. J., Ly, S. V., Bellenger, S. J., & Lawton, E. W., "VO2max and arterial O2 saturation at sea level and 610 m", Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 27, Supplement abstract 42 (1995) (finding that "trained elite athletes are more sensitive to minor changes in altitude and lower altitudes than non-elite athletes.")
Funny to argue about outdoor 5000 times based on indoor 2 mile PRs. Different animals in so many ways. I think both guys could run or approach 12:50 this year should they stay injury free, and get in the right race without Merga taking a whack at them.
As for the repeat 1200 workout, it's very do-able for these lads. I live at 5000 ft., you get used to mile high running pretty quickly.
Mo's run 12:53 and Rupp in terms of fitness is not that far behind him...their 10k prs are worth about 12:50.
insider trading wrote:
I can do 8 x 1k solo faster than 5k pace on 2 min rest
STR8 BEASTIN'
wuzthere wrote:
The Kenyan 5k and 10k guys do 8 to 10 x 1k starting at 2.30 something and finishing at 2.20 something. The rest period is in the 1 to 2 min range based on time of year. And that is on golf course. And the altitude is much higher than 4,500ft.
Keep in mind the workout that Rupp did, is pretty much the world record pace for 10k. The WR pace is 3:09.27 per 1200m. So if a human being can run the same eight 1200's with no rest and still throw in another 400m, why can't these guys do it with two mins rest.
The 200m workout is balooney. Lots of 800 and 1500 guys can do it. I find it hard to believe these guys did it though. When I ran 1.50 point, I could do 8 of them at the 25 point with 45 to 60secs rest, all depended how fast I jogged the 100m rest. I knew 1.46 guys who could do 8 of them at 24 point off of short rest. I know a 1.44 800 guy who ran 8x300 at 37 with the same 100 rest. Nick Symmonds tried to do the workout with him in Belgium. He only made it to number three or four. To run 15 200m at 25 with 100m rest, would indicate 1.45 at worst for 800m, really more like 1.44 would be expected. Those guys must have walked a 100m rest in 2mins for them to do this workout.
good post.
your analysis and experience seems sound, but i think you are not considering properly the range that these guys currently have.
rupp has run 149 and can probably go 148 maybe a bit better by now. now combine that with the 26:4x 10000m ability.
and you do realize farah and rupp are now capable of 350 to 352 miles don't you? you saw farah fall down and run 357 indoors right? you saw rupp run with wheating and centro in the pac10 1500 right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLTwP5KGWL8shit, as a high schooler and not world ranked, i could run 3 x 200m at 25 mid with jog across the track recovery. that said too, the fun only begins on the third repeat and it gets tough there on out.
so yes, the vote here is rupp and farah can do the workout, just like "any" 148/333/1253/2645 runner can do.
Dave Moorcoft
5 x 1000 in 2:29, 2:28, 2:28, 2:27,
2:28
http://www.britishmilersclub.com/bmcnews/1999spring.pdf
So completely believable that these 2 training for longer distance can do longer session at the lower place. As for altitude not sure but it's not that high
The 200's probably had rolling start and again 100% achievable especially as its probably 25.xx
the should have put "altitude" in quotation marks. It's not like it's 8000 feet or something...
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Dave Moorcoft
5 x 1000 in 2:29, 2:28, 2:28, 2:27,
2:28
http://www.britishmilersclub.com/bmcnews/1999spring.pdf
Who's that guy on the front page of the magazine?
High Life wrote:
How do you feel about Rodgers Rop running 12x1k @ 2:58 with 2 min recovery... is that impossible too? Bottom line is you won't believe any training that the elites do because you'd never dream of working that hard. There's a reason that even after you get a talented guy, he goes on to be one of the best and not just another "good" runner.
2:58 lk repeats are not that fast.
hi, i think its pretty irrelevant what times the elites do in training. it all comes down to the day of the race. in the spirit of pre; who has got the most guts...