ALAN WEBB 1:51.91 ACCEPTED AT USA INDOORS

this is stupid questions thread

If he does run, will Nike forbid him from wearing their clothes?

Brandon Johnson might be the happiest guy in America after seeing Webb on the 800 list slower than his time ensuring his acceptance into the USA champs.

andra manson in with a 2.26. didn't he jump 7'7+" in hs or as a junior (under 20)? why has he regressed instead of becoming a great one? a 20 year old Qatari just jumped 2.37m (over 7'9"), the world indoor lead.

will anyone set a strong pace (4:04/5 mile) for the 3k so that rupp and lagat can fight for an American record? That would be awesome, better than Lagat simply outkicking Rupp in the last 200m, as usual, in 7:50s.

I don't have any personal connection to Shawn Crawford. It just seems odd to me that a guy who is a former Olympic gold and silver medalist and just misses the standard gets rejected, while three guys who apparently didn't even compete get in.

This isn't like Mike Rodgers, who gets entry automatically as the defending champion. Maybe you could make the case that Hardee as the defending world champion I think might get entry, but ALL THREE of them?

Certainly in the NCAA, someone with the present situation of Clay (and I'm a fan of Bryan, but rules are supposed to be rules), would not get into NCAAs without a mark.

I don't know for sure that they haven't competed at all, but if they have competed where are their marks?

I have no problem with Webb getting in?

Why: Because he is an American record holder. This is a case for USATF where they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they don't let him in and he goes and runs 1:44 in some college last chance meet, they look like idiots, and if they let him in and he runs poorly again, they look like idiots. Maybe he'll have a good race. I don't think anyone without a qualifying mark, oly or world medal, or american record should be in the meet though.

12 years after high school he's slower than he was his senior year. Time to hang em up.

F*ck this I ran 1:51.

F*ck Webb.

Is there anyone here not happy to see Alan getting a chance to show what he's got?

And I know about the Coe principle of racing into shape in 800's to compete later in 1500. But doing it in a NC seems a bit of a stretch.

This IS a former 1:43 800 guy, remember. Now that he's competing in NC, I can't help wondering if maybe they're actually planning to compete in the 800 for the Olympic trials because it might be easier to make the team, and the training might be less stressful (particularly in terms of volume).

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lol @ the guy who sent in a 4:45.0 1500 entry.

I agree that indoor nationals isn't the place for this guy, but he is a 50-year-old who has a masters'(40+)mile pr of 4:15. So for his age he's certainly slouch.

coach d wrote:

... I can't help wondering if maybe they're actually planning to compete in the 800 for the Olympic trials because it might be easier to make the team, and the training might be less stressful (particularly in terms of volume).

The speed work required to be top three at the trials is very stressful.

The USATF would have to be in a coma to not let Webb in with something as slow as even a 1:54.

If Webb runs a 600m time trial there is a thread about it on letsrun with 50 posts and about 500 views.

If Webb falls in a race but was on pace for 1:49, and there is a video, there is a thread about it with 50 posts and about 1000 views.

Win or Lose, Webb is a draw of fan interest within the letsrun community (the people who care about running even when its not the olympics).

Give the people what they want and make sure your servers don't crash when you stream his race live.

If you don't agree with me, consider all of the "inside jokes" that are made at Webb's expense and ask yourself honestly how many you know.

"Was he relaxed?"

"I saw him at McDonalds before the race..."

"Did he scream?"

It's the arbitrary manner in which USATF accepts athletes that is the issue. At Outdoor Nationals this past year, they didn't even fill heats, despite having people there with the B standard who had run the A standard the previous year. The lack of transparency with entrance standards is ridiculous. Either have a standard, or don't, but don't selectively allow athletes in just because they run for a certain shoe company. At the end of the day though, this is only going to make them look worse when Webb doesn't even make it out of his heat.

Dr.Know wrote:

The speed work required to be top three at the trials is very stressful.

My understanding is that with Raczko, Alan was doing 12K of intervals twice a week. The volume of intervals being done could very well be what got him to 3:46/3:30/1:43...but it could have also been what caused the achilles problems.

We use in our D1 program essentially the same system that Renato has talked about and similar to the Ghidini system (do a search). It works off aerobic power--long intervals twice a week plus a 60 min long run. The speed component is fairly low volume and the overall interval volume would be half or less of what Alan did before the injury.

I guess we'll know by whether Alan runs the mile in Kansas or Penn Relays, but I am starting to wonder if they are really training for 800.

I'll be rooting for Alan in the USATF Indoors.

Webb will be mid-pack, running around 1:49-low or even 1:48-high. It will be encouraging in some respects. But the posters here will declare it everything from "he's back" to "he's finished," neither of which are true. In late March or early April, he'll have a few 3:38-3:40 performances, finishing towards the front but never winning. He'll bust out one promising 3:34 or 3:35 before the trials. Some will say he's a contender for trials. But when the pressure is on, Webb will put on a little fight around 1000m but then lose focus and fade to about 6th or 7th.

coach d wrote:

I don't have any personal connection to Shawn Crawford. It just seems odd to me that a guy who is a former Olympic gold and silver medalist and just misses the standard gets rejected, while three guys who apparently didn't even compete get in.

This isn't like Mike Rodgers, who gets entry automatically as the defending champion. Maybe you could make the case that Hardee as the defending world champion I think might get entry, but ALL THREE of them?

Certainly in the NCAA, someone with the present situation of Clay (and I'm a fan of Bryan, but rules are supposed to be rules), would not get into NCAAs without a mark.

I don't know for sure that they haven't competed at all, but if they have competed where are their marks?

If I had to guess I would say that they have likely already been selected to represent the USA at the World Championships in the Heptathlon. If that is the case it is probable that the USATF is allowing them to compete at USAs just to meet a requirement of having to compete in the meet to be eligible for the squad.

Multi guys aren't necessarily going to have marks that would qualify them for the open events. They are likely using the meet to get the competitive juices flowing.

Molly Beckwith Saucony 2:03.01 not qualified open

can someone explain

some little boy wrote:

Molly Beckwith Saucony 2:03.01 not qualified open

can someone explain

That one's easy. Not run within the qualifying window. She apparently doesn't have a 2012 mark.

He's probably injured and not going. I assume he would have run the 1000m the next day if he wasn't injured