difference in sprint training and fast relaxed striding

"I would think striding at 5k pace would help build up your lactate threshold, train you neromuscular system, increase vo2max slightly etc"

Strides will do only one of those

I really don't agree with your thinking.

Even by your definitions, my thinking is correct.

Doing a large volume of race pace IS "involving speeds and distance/volume".

The nueromuscular system can be trained with low intensity, not just maximal intensity. So you're wrong there. You can accomplish nm training by low OR high intensity by adjusting the volume accordingly. Think martial arts, calligraphy, etc.

There is a benefit to the LT system as well if your volume is large enough. It's like a very non-demanding version of tempo intervals.

And your analogy about 100m and Mt Everest is silly too. I mean, what I'm saying could be applied to that, but you'd have to do so many reps that it just wouldn't be worth it time-wise and recovery-wise. You'd need to do longer reps for something like that since most humans are limited to 24 hour days. But even then, that distance might be too long.

For the third or fourth time:

you're NOT talking about strides.

You need to figure that out FIRST.

well why don't you explain it instead of saying the same vague thing over and over again

Just sayin dude wrote:

well why don't you explain it instead of saying the same vague thing over and over again

good god, whining here, too. should have known it was the same ignoramus.

Just sayin dude wrote:

well why don't you explain it instead of saying the same vague thing over and over again

because I already did. apparently you suck at reading and processing that which you read:

"strides do nothing more than get you moving a bit faster. No real benefit to LT (that's why we do tempos and intervals, things lasting more than 20 seconds), no real benefit to VO2max (that's why we do intervals), and no real benefit to nm system (not engaging enough muscles to stress it as opposed to something like all out hill sprints).

and no, that's NOT the principle of specificity. the principle of specificity would involve speeds AND distances/volume.

like i said, what you're saying is akin to comparing running up a hill to preparing for Everest. you're completely ignoring race specificity and the training aspects that would improve one's ability to race at specific speeds and distances in alleging that strides do any of the things you mentioned above."

no no, i mean explain what strides are. you haven't explained that (unless i'm misread that also)

and even regarding that topic, you haven't explained anything or countered anything in what i've said in response.

let's start with this:

why do you think that only extreme efforts will affect the nm system?

Just sayin dude wrote:

no no, i mean explain what strides are. you haven't explained that (unless i'm misread that also)

apparently you haven't read the thread as it's been previously mentioned.

try that first.

and no, I will not copy and paste it for you in rainbow colors because you're too lazy to go find it yourself.

Just sayin dude wrote:

and even regarding that topic, you haven't explained anything or countered anything in what i've said in response.

let's start with this:

why do you think that only extreme efforts will affect the nm system?

seriously, mate. go back and reread what i said. i find it hard to believe you're this thick and am beginning to think you're just taking the piss (which I can appreciate, I guess).

you have said absolutely NOTHING about why the nm only responds to maximal efforts

Umm... The LT is an imaginary line. By improving economy at a faster speed (strides), your economy at almost all sub maximal speeds improves. I agree that strides will not improve cardiovascular fitness. But that isn't the only aspect to the LT. Think about, and try to be a little less condescending to your peers.

*Think about IT*

froze wrote:

That's like saying running up a 100m hill will train you to climb Everest.

This is truly idiotic. No one's claiming that strides alone will train anyone for a race.

And all things being equal with respect to one's Mount Everest training plan, wouldn't a guy running 100m up a hill still be better off than a guy not running 100m up a hill?

Exactly.

The difference between a stride and a sprint is that a stride starts slow and only the last couple of meters are at full speed. A sprint is maximal from start to end.

A stride (serie of 5 or 6 x 60-100m) is important to get out of the monotonous stride length after a long run.

The first system engaged when you start a run is the ANaerobic system.

For strides, you want to build to a rate of speed such that you engage the anaerobic glycolytic system but not so fast or so far that you create excess lactic acid. You will create a little but you should be sure to run your recovery between each stride slow enough and long enough to be sure to clear the lactic acid.

You WILL get a little neuromuscular boost by incorporating strides into your weekly regiment.

I highly recommend them 6 - 10 x 100 meters before each faster workout. FT type runners should keep the numbers closer to 6 and ST type runners can run 10. (ST types will ALWAYS benefit by working on their speed)

why should FT type runners do less then ST type runners??

To me this type of workout looks easier for a FT Type runner..

mmm just wondering.