Cheserek and Futsum's last 800 meters

If the link does not work just go to Flotrack.

That downhill is a steep one - it's not a downhill you would enjoy running. It's one of those that speeds you up but costs you at the same time.

As for the 9:50 thing, did anyone catch on the webcast that it was "well under 15 minutes pace?" last i checked 4:55 per mile was low 15:20s.

Chapa did run like 28:30 for 10K for HS record... Rupp ran like 13:37 for the HS record... 800 record is just off 1:45... what are you trying to say? noob

Hot, Hard Facts wrote:

wejo wrote:

Holy crap. I forgot he's a junior in high school.

I think a lot of people are realizing now that there are in essence two types of US high school records. Records by an American high schooler and records by anyone at an American high school.

How old is he? Sorry for the laziness of not looking it up.

And all of my posts about the Brojos and mods being white supremacists get deleted.

i agree with wejo, you cant ignore that these guys are probably not the age they say they are. might not be their fault, of course, but thats irrelevant.

didn't get to see the webcast, but i'm assuming they just meant relative to the course. of course, that depends on context.

illegitimate wrote:

Chapa did run like 28:30 for 10K for HS record... Rupp ran like 13:37 for the HS record... 800 record is just off 1:45... what are you trying to say? noob

One person lowering the 10k by 30 secs, the 5k by 7 secs, and the 800 by 1 second in one season would be pretty damn epic

They also definitely said they hit halfway in 7:19. That's roughly 9:25 pace for 2 miles (2500m --> 3218m). So yeah, no way it was 9:50.

watched the stream wrote:

They also definitely said they hit halfway in 7:19. That's roughly 9:25 pace for 2 miles (2500m --> 3218m). So yeah, no way it was 9:50.

The announcers were so epically off on the distances they were reporting it wasn't even funny. Apparently it took ~10s to get from 600 to 500 to go, and then took about a minute for the last 500.

So they closed the last 600 in 1:10? Well then 1:54 is entirely feasible, if not an understatement.

Edward CHESEREK

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Lukas V is also 1993 :)

Sheba God of Death wrote:

So they closed the last 600 in 1:10? Well then 1:54 is entirely feasible, if not an understatement.

Exactly!

to put things in perspective the WR is around 115 for 600 meters indoors with no 2 1/2 mile warmup.

Also when Jim Ryun & Marty Liquori had their epic "dream mile" they went through the first two laps in just over 2 and closed in roughly 1:51-1:52

two of the best milers in the world going all out for a half mile(Marty's all time 880 pr being just 2 seconds faster) and someone is suggesting that a couple of high school kids ran 2 and a half miles and could close in a time that would be within a couple of strides of the best finish of Ryun & Liquori? Are you people nuts?

As someone else said you have no idea what a 154 half looks like.

No friggin way, most likely about 2:00.

mileage man wrote:

Yeah, like 5:08mid. Not at all impossible. Not sure where that 5:30 figure came from...

I would say it's pretty likely the reporter was exaggerating though. Sub-2:00, yeah of course. 1:54? Not if they didn't really start kicking until 200.

well if you READ the article that is linked it says 3:07 for the last 1.1 miles. so a 1:54 would mean 3:13 for the last 982

which translates to a 5:27 pace by my calculations, roughly a 530 which is a 2:45 half pace so they would have picked up their pace for the last half mile by 51 seconds but more importantly they would have slowed considerably between 2-21/2 miles in the neighborhood of 20 seconds. since there were about a dozen runners who finished within 30-40 seconds and assuming they kept a somewhat even pace themselves

If they did they would have overtaken the front pair by 10 seconds, which did not happen

Reality check223 wrote:

Wasn't Ryun a "high school kid"?

not at the time he had graduated from Kansas by then

Look its pretty simple

these guys yesterday finished less than 30 seconds in front of 3 rd place next few places all within a few seconds

Even if they finished in 2 flat count back 2 minutes

they came through that point @ 12:52

If the other guys finished running a 5 minute pace they would have reached that point between 12:50-12:52

meaning ahead of these two or even with them

that is if the front pair finished 6 seconds SLOWER than what is claimed 2 minutes flat versus 1:54

so the 1:54 is total bs

most likely 2 minutes is bs too

[quote]Electric Banana wrote:

[quote]Hot, Hard Facts wrote:

I agree with wejo, you cant ignore that these guys are probably not the age they say they are. might not be their fault, of course, but thats irrelevant.

Do youh have any factual basis for saying they are not the age they say they are? And I don't think your racist bent classifies as factual.

I think a lot of people are realizing now that there are in essence two types of US high school records. Records by an American high schooler and records by anyone at an American high school.

So, so very true Wejo!

Nate

Its very possible to close in 1:54 in a tight race such as that and with that huge downhill helping.

I think this needs to be settled. Can someone in the San Diego area go to the course and measure backwards from the finish so we can find out where the 4200 mark is?

Or if someone has a course map, they could use gmap-pedometer to measure backwards.

Anyone?

I think the 800 to go is right before the path

Whoever said /reported 1:54 was wrong, he/she was just going off what the announcer was saying.

In the video you can clearly see that they pass 2.5 mile marker (it says 1, because 1 mile mark and 2.5 mile [4023 meters] are at same spot so they flip the sign around after 1st lap....see website course map) at exactly 12:10 .

You can also clearly see that they passed start/finish line (3 miles/4828 meters) at 14:30 [14:32 on the video time, but race time is 2 seconds faster].

So the 1/2 mile split from 2.5- to 3 miles was exactly 2:20 (going uphill for quite a bit of that) and last 172 meters was about 22 seconds.

So last 977 meters was run in 2:42 (which extrapolates to a 2:12 pace for 800).

In summary:

Facts:

2.5 miles= 12:10

3.0 miles= 14:30

5000 meters =14:52

Last 977 meters (mostly downhill and flat, with 6 substantial turns)= 2:42

Last 172 meters (kicking hard!!)= 22 seconds

I'll leave it to you guys to extrapolate and guess the actual last 800 or 1/2 mile but those are what the video shows.