j squire wrote:
If you include the mile equivalent of 3:59.99 (3:53.3) then add Dave Wottle with his 3:53.3 at Eugene on 6/20/73.
Equivalents are subjective. If you include subjective "equivalents" you'd have more than just Wottle: Byers, Boulet, Wolhouter, Waldrop just off the top of my head.
I know its not a 1500 but when/where did Dick run his 3:53 mile?
I agree that conversions are less than perfect, but there's got to be some point where we can accept it. 3:53.3 is iffy (I just had to get Wottle's name in there!), but 3:52.5 probably isn't and 3:52.0 has got to be good enough. Where do we draw the line? In any case, it shows that one reason for the relative dearth of such times in the USA is that the 1500 wasn't the domestic standard when we had the horses.
Boulet ran 3:53.26 at May 31 1998 Eugene
More facts: Races in the US or Before June 1
Ryun 3:51.1 June 23, 1967 Bakersfield, CA age 20
Ryun 3:51.3 July 19 1966 Berkeley, CA age 19
Holman 3:51.38 May 18, 1996 1996 Atlanta
Scott 3:51.8 February 20, 1981 San Diego
Liquori 3:52.2 May 17 1975 Kingston Jamaica
Scott 3:52.26 MAy 30, 1981 Villanova, PA
Scott 3:52.28 Feb 27, 1983 East Rutherford, NJ
Maree 3:52.4 February 9 1985 East Rutherford, NJ
Scott 3:52.50 MAy 10, 1981 Westwood CA
Scott 3:52.53 June 12, 1983 Berkeley, CA
Scott 3:52.68 May 16, 1982 Los Angeles
Holman 3:52.86 May 26, 1996 Eugene
Holman 3:52.89 June 4, 1995 Eugene
Scott 3:52.99 May 13, 1984 Westwood, CA
Waldrop 3:53.2 April 27 1974 Philadelphia
Wottle 3:53.3 June 20 1973 Eugene
Wohlhuter 3:53.3 May 31, 1975 Wichita, KS
Webb 3:53.43 May 27 2001 Eugene
Byers 3:53.6 February 19, 1982 San Diego
Byers 3:53.? Eugene Prefontaine 81 or 82?
Ryun 3:33.1 July 8 1967 Los Angles
Scott 3:34.92 June 20, 1982 Knoxville, TN TAC
Scott 3:35.15 Oly Trials 1980
Webb 3:35.71 2004 Carson, CA
Hyde 3:35.84 May 13, 1995 Chapel Hill, CA
Jennings 3:35.9 Oly Trials 2000 Sacto
Hogariffic wrote:
Any other schools with five 3:35 guys!!!
considering that stanford has had 3 in the last 5 years, it's just a matter of time...
Is the Stanford of today the same Stanford of 4 years ago? New coach, different team mindset? Cross was great, but has it translated to outdoor respect. New coach was manager/coach of the year in cross, but what is his grade so far...? Maybe Vinny got out while the getting was good.
Conversions from the mile to 1500 are legit in my mind since you could just take their speed in meters pace per second and find the 1500 time. While they may have slowed or accelerated the final 100 they did cover the did cover more then that distance in a given time. Conversions from 1500 to mile are a bit less legit as there are more factors such as fatigue, mental factors and strategy (in my book any way). I think most would agree a 1500 has a different feel then the mile.
Hey Doug - You running much these days? I used to race you a whole bunch in the early '80's, but you wouldn't know it as I don't think I was ever in front of you.
A Kid from Kitchener.
I've seen the three US soil 3:35's run in the past 10 years or so. All impressive of course. Here's a race rundown from my perspective.
Hyde 3:35.84 May 13, 1995 Chapel Hill, CA
Rabbit for holman I think to at least to 800m. Holman rabbit for hyde to 1200 meters. Hyde just stuck to him till 300-400 to go if i remember right. Hyde really crushed Steve Holman mentally in this race. I don't think he was the same racer after. Keep in mind this was supposed to be holman's 'coming' out party as the premier miler in america. Hyde ruined it for him. I remember it being perfect running conditions btw.
Jennings 3:35.9 Oly Trials 2000 Sacto
Everybody (the competitors and spectators) watched him make that move and thought he's going to die. Held on... and won with a strong time. No rabbit. Balls.
Webb 3:35.71 2004 Carson, CA
Rabbit to 900 meters. I remember seeing Webb take a peek at about 550 meters on the turn and saw nobody was there.. he looked surprised. He's got at least 3 seconds to drop this year after watching that race. Doing the hurdles backwards is not advised. Despite what people say... the wind was just enough to be a factor. Personally, i didn't think he was going to get close to his 3:53 anytime soon. Good job for him. Hopefully, he can string together a couple of good 1500m races.
How many Americans have run 3:35 on US soil?
The answer to this questions is obviously zero.
They all did it on a track, not on the soil. Geez! I thought you would have known that.
Why is it that important where they ran it. Just not sure what the importance is.