I thought three things stuck out:
1) Mileage is always high. 120 would be a low week, 130 -140 more common.
2) They never run really fast or really slow. Everyday pace is 6 min. or better. Workouts target marathon pace or a little faster but they never do anything at even 5k or 10k pace.
3) Zero emphasis on drills, core or other ancillary work. If it's done it is done on their own.
Exactly. They plainly state that your long run should be just a part of the total package. It's more percentage based on total weekly mileage than some number that you put in to your schedule based on how many weeks you have to go before your marathon.
graeme mcdowell wrote:
I thought three things stuck out:
1) Mileage is always high. 120 would be a low week, 130 -140 more common.
2) They never run really fast or really slow. Everyday pace is 6 min. or better. Workouts target marathon pace or a little faster but they never do anything at even 5k or 10k pace.
3) Zero emphasis on drills, core or other ancillary work. If it's done it is done on their own.
Everyday pace isn't 6:00 pace or better. A couple guys come close to averaging that, but only the fastest and most experienced guys.
graeme mcdowell wrote:
I thought three things stuck out:
1) Mileage is always high. 120 would be a low week, 130 -140 more common.
2) They never run really fast or really slow. Everyday pace is 6 min. or better. Workouts target marathon pace or a little faster but they never do anything at even 5k or 10k pace.
3) Zero emphasis on drills, core or other ancillary work. If it's done it is done on their own.
Basically sounds like Bill Squires's "Speed with Endurance".
There is no chance that Davila doesn't do workouts at 5k and 10k pace on the track. Just last year or so she made a world team at the indoor 3k.
coatedbluengold wrote:
There is no chance that Davila doesn't do workouts at 5k and 10k pace on the track. Just last year or so she made a world team at the indoor 3k.
Exactly. I wish people that didn't know what they were talking about would stop speculating and guessing. Davila had a W.O.W. on Flotrak doing 1000m repeats for god's sake.
coatedbluengold wrote:
There is no chance that Davila doesn't do workouts at 5k and 10k pace on the track. Just last year or so she made a world team at the indoor 3k.
During a marathon segment, that is, you don't approach 5k or 10k pace. During a shorter segment, you do.
From what I remember of their Athleticore logs some years ago it was sort of like this:
1. Long run
2. two days "easy"
3. 10 mile cutdown or some other steady paced hard run or progression run
4. two days "easy"
5. crazy long tempo/intervals such as 3x3, 2x4, 2x5, 2x6, etc
Paces during workouts were like half-marathon pace + 10 secs
There would be ONE workout that was fast, like 10 days out running 800s or 1000s. Then they started doing the 26.2k simulation.
Alan
graeme mcdowell wrote:
There is a book out called "Running for the Hansons" that has quite a bit of insight into their training.
Here's a good link below...and no I am not Sage.
http://www.flotrack.org/blog/38183-Running-For-The-Hansons-book-plug
I recently read this book and I have to say, it was nice to read about a professional runner/s and how they live/train. It certainly gave you a humble perspective of their experiences. I like to read more of this type...
I recently talked to a ex-Hansons runner and he said the book doesn't really get into much of anything of real substance. Just a bantering about the good stuff and eulogizing the program. I bet its a nice place but comon gimme something juicy. However, since he's still on the team, that would be stupid on his part, maybe a part 2 after retirement.
Thank you, I was refering to Hansons marathon training segments per the original question? I didn't see anything in there that was very fast for even an average college runner...long yes, a lot of miles yes, but not fast.
From what I remember most of their stuff was half-marathon pace or a bit slower. It's the shear volume of work at that semi-hard pace that gets to you.
I remember one of Sell's workouts being 2 x 6 miles around 29:00. So we're talking about 63:20 half-marathon pace.
Alan
I didn't know the Hanson Brothers ran marathons.
Buffalo Billy wrote:
I didn't know the Hanson Brothers ran marathons.
Yeah. They brought their f*ckin' TOYS with 'em!