Racheal Marchand won the women's division with a time of 27:33.3, but departed the course immediately, opting not to attend the awards ceremony. Marchand, the former NCAA All-American at Iowa, won her second straight Panic crown.
Read more:
Racheal Marchand won the women's division with a time of 27:33.3, but departed the course immediately, opting not to attend the awards ceremony. Marchand, the former NCAA All-American at Iowa, won her second straight Panic crown.
Read more:
Letsrun needs to call her out on the front page. She is not done serving her suspension until August 9th 2012:
I would copy and paste (gives error message when you try)-- the following on page 79, "Status during Ineligibility", says she can't compete in any competition of any capacity, and if she does, the suspension period starts over on the date of the violation.
Hmmmm, she's fairly good collegiate runner who turned out to be a cheater. What she is doing recently is not commendable, but it's still gray area. Should a cheater getting away with $250 at the most really make front page headlines? Maybe a warning letter from national t&f governing bodies would do. I'm sure there is more serious fraud going on in the world of distance running, and certainly in the world at wide.
run run run wrote:
I do not know that road races are subject to any of these issues. If someone wants to pay their $20 entry fee and line up to race for a $2 medal then it really does not make much of a difference.
So what is the point of a ban?
A ban is from ALL competition....as it should be.
I can't speak for all residents of Valparaiso, but I don't think anybody really cares that much about the racing while banned situation with Ms. Marchand. Most of the participants are hobby joggers and they probably aren't even aware of the drug ban. The road race circuit usually is a bunch of fundraisers or festival-related 5ks. I especially loved the brutal winter races in snow or sub-freezing weather. Those were the best. The way I see it, the woman likes to run and race, and this probably is the only way she can.
I kinda get annoyed about the justice demanded from letsrun posters thousands of miles away from what is happening in our corner of Indiana. They might be the only ones who care. Just think for a minute about the insignificant and tiny scale of these races. I say let her run the local Turkey Trots without impunity. We all need to find outlets somewhere.
Former Viking wrote:
I can't speak for all residents of Valparaiso, but I don't think anybody really cares that much about the racing while banned situation with Ms. Marchand. Most of the participants are hobby joggers and they probably aren't even aware of the drug ban. The road race circuit usually is a bunch of fundraisers or festival-related 5ks. I especially loved the brutal winter races in snow or sub-freezing weather. Those were the best. The way I see it, the woman likes to run and race, and this probably is the only way she can.
I kinda get annoyed about the justice demanded from letsrun posters thousands of miles away from what is happening in our corner of Indiana. They might be the only ones who care. Just think for a minute about the insignificant and tiny scale of these races. I say let her run the local Turkey Trots without impunity. We all need to find outlets somewhere.
and she can cheat while running these races and take places and medals away from those who train fairly?
One has to wonder if she was doping while in the NCAA or only afterwards. The bigger scandal would be how prevalent doping or even drug violations are amongst NCAA runners, male and female. Are runners tested, in their school setting, conference setting, or by the NCAA at large relating to big meets? Anyway, nobody likes a cheat, like that Ramzi scoundrel.
Geddy wrote:
and she can cheat while running these races and take places and medals away from those who train fairly?
I'm pretty sure that I'm only responding to this because I like to argue.
Anyways, if anybody takes drugs while attempting to dominate the local road race scene, then they have breached a certain level of competitiveness and sanity. Considering she could crush every female road racer in northwest Indiana when she was in high school, I have no reason to believe that she is doping to win Valparaiso's race in honor of popcorn, or any of the other classics in northwest Indiana.
There are much more important things to worry about than getting pissed about an accused doper stealing places and medals at a local road race. She'd win by a mile with or without the drugs at these races.
Former Viking wrote:There are much more important things to worry about than getting pissed about an accused doper stealing places and medals at a local road race. She'd win by a mile with or without the drugs at these races.
Crystal (Martinez) Reichert is directly affected by the fact that Marchand is still racing locally.
This board is the biggest group of hypocrits in the world. Every person on earth with an IQ above 70 knows for certain that Salazar is doing something illegal, but we cheer for nearly all of his athletes. Meanwhile, some no name woman picks up a free pair of shoes at the National Pickle 5k Fun Run and the board is outraged.
"accused doper" be edited to "convicted doper"
There is a more than slight difference.
Former Viking wrote:
Geddy wrote:and she can cheat while running these races and take places and medals away from those who train fairly?
I'm pretty sure that I'm only responding to this because I like to argue.
Anyways, if anybody takes drugs while attempting to dominate the local road race scene, then they have breached a certain level of competitiveness and sanity. Considering she could crush every female road racer in northwest Indiana when she was in high school, I have no reason to believe that she is doping to win Valparaiso's race in honor of popcorn, or any of the other classics in northwest Indiana.
There are much more important things to worry about than getting pissed about an accused doper stealing places and medals at a local road race. She'd win by a mile with or without the drugs at these races.
You are an idiot. Second and third place for the female runners are both sponsored runners and are pretty fast. First and Second and Third on the males side are all sponsored runners. You are clueless about the running scene in this area. The Popcorn Panic on the womens side has been won by Collete Liss who has represented the U.S. at the World Cross Country Championship. She was an elite runner and just missed the Olympics.
There are plenty of women in the area who think they train their butts off. For you do say they don't is insulting and shows your ignorance. Those medals and trophies mean a lot to them, even if it is their hobby. What do these medals and trophies mean to Marchand? Why is she doing these meaningless races in the first place? No, should would not win these races by a mile if she didn't use EPO. She barely beat the 2nd place woman yesterday. Marchand also ran a race in Chicago with over two-thousand runners. She has also won money, money that should have gone to the woman who got second, who is a teacher and would really appreciate the money.
The only reason a few people know about her band is because the sports reporters in this area are gutless to report it. They followed the story, always defending her, but never put anything in the paper when the ban was announced. The main reporter in the area for reporting on the racing scene is afraid he will lose his job if he says anything. She is from a rich family and they get their way. There is only a few people that even talk to her at the races. The only ones talking to her are some that were considered shady in the first place.
You are not responding to this because you like to argue, you are responding to this because you are a friend of her family. Since you are a friend of hers, tell her to stop racing these meaningless races until her ban is over. Pretty simple. What you think doesn't matter, matters to a lot of runners who are getting cheated. If you think the area doesn't care, why doesn't her former training partners who were real close to her, stop training with her? It's not about being pissed. It's about right and wrong.
According to the IAAF rules, every time she continues to race during her ban, it's only re-starting her ban on that day (see link posted above). Is she really that much of a diddling idiot? Not only is she hurting herself from ever competing at an elite level again, but it hurts those who should have won/placed higher at those races and received whatever benefit/recognition.
call her out wrote:
the following on page 79, "Status during Ineligibility", says she can't compete in any competition of any capacity, and if she does, the suspension period starts over on the date of the violation.
http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Antidoping/Rules&Regulations/03/30/48/20100113104605_httppostedfile_Chap32010-2011_EN_17816.pdf
As far as I am aware, the IAAF rules do not prohibit her from competing in "any competition of any capacity." Rather, they prohibit her from participating in any capacity in certain competitions, including those that are organized or authorized by IAAF or any of its various member organizations.
I have no idea whether her participation in these particular races violates any IAAF rules.
Avocado's Number wrote:
call her out wrote:the following on page 79, "Status during Ineligibility", says she can't compete in any competition of any capacity, and if she does, the suspension period starts over on the date of the violation.
http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Antidoping/Rules&Regulations/03/30/48/20100113104605_httppostedfile_Chap32010-2011_EN_17816.pdfAs far as I am aware, the IAAF rules do not prohibit her from competing in "any competition of any capacity." Rather, they prohibit her from participating in any capacity in certain competitions, including those that are organized or authorized by IAAF or any of its various member organizations.
I have no idea whether her participation in these particular races violates any IAAF rules.
Would it matter if the courses are certified? What if she runs a U.S. or world record? She may never run that fast, but it's possible. So every time she is allowed to race, a U.S. record is on the line even though she is banned. Plus, most of the races are affiliated with RRCA. Not sure if that falls under IAAF. Lets say it is fine for her to run these races, win money for racing, and take awards away from runners who are clean. Every runner in the race should have the right to know that she was banned from competition for EPO. The newspapers need to do their jobs.
Avocado's Number wrote:
As far as I am aware, the IAAF rules do not prohibit her from competing in "any competition of any capacity." Rather, they prohibit her from participating in any capacity in certain competitions, including those that are organized or authorized by IAAF or any of its various member organizations.
I have no idea whether her participation in these particular races violates any IAAF rules.
Did you not read the link? This is the IAAFs words, not mine.
Former Viking wrote:
I can\'t speak for all residents of Valparaiso, but I don\'t think anybody really cares that much about the racing while banned situation with Ms. Marchand. Most of the participants are hobby joggers and they probably aren\'t even aware of the drug ban. The road race circuit usually is a bunch of fundraisers or festival-related 5ks. I especially loved the brutal winter races in snow or sub-freezing weather. Those were the best. The way I see it, the woman likes to run and race, and this probably is the only way she can.
I kinda get annoyed about the justice demanded from letsrun posters thousands of miles away from what is happening in our corner of Indiana. They might be the only ones who care. Just think for a minute about the insignificant and tiny scale of these races. I say let her run the local Turkey Trots without impunity. We all need to find outlets somewhere.
What the hell does distance have to do with anything? With that logic we should just stop caring about injustices everywhere.
Anyone still defending the cheater should at least be hitting it or wants to.
Former Viking wrote:
I can\'t speak for all residents of Valparaiso, but I don\'t think anybody really cares that much about the racing while banned situation with Ms. Marchand. Most of the participants are hobby joggers and they probably aren\'t even aware of the drug ban. The road race circuit usually is a bunch of fundraisers or festival-related 5ks. I especially loved the brutal winter races in snow or sub-freezing weather. Those were the best. The way I see it, the woman likes to run and race, and this probably is the only way she can.
I kinda get annoyed about the justice demanded from letsrun posters thousands of miles away from what is happening in our corner of Indiana. They might be the only ones who care. Just think for a minute about the insignificant and tiny scale of these races. I say let her run the local Turkey Trots without impunity. We all need to find outlets somewhere.
What the hell does distance have to do with anything? With that logic we should just stop caring about injustices everywhere.
Anyone still defending the cheater should at least be hitting it or is a frustrated chump in the "friend" zone who carrys the torch for the girl still.
March End wrote:
MarchEnd you are cheating your colleagues with your dirty acts. Your fellow female runners will be cheated from buying their tampax and new panties because you stole their $ 250. Be nice to your fellow runners. We know you stuck needles up your back side with EPO and some other goodies. Now it is time to reflect on your mistakes and assume your manly side. Why not change your sexual orientation? Grow a mustache and some hairy legs. See Men YA will applaud you. Do the right thing. Come back as a MAN.
$250 to someone from a rich family like Marchand's, means nothing. $250 to a teacher, means a lot.