2000 Meters: Rupp or Centro?

rupp won't ever be in 3:32 shape. count on it.

sleaziest job wrote:

rupp won't ever be in 3:32 shape. count on it.

even if he's in sub 13 shape? He obviously does not have Bekele-like endurance for 10k, so he probably has good speed.

Ventolin believes that at his peak, Galen Rupp can become the 7th fastest 3000 meter runner in history, trailing only Komen, ElG, Saidi-Sief, Geb, Morceli, and Bekele...

There is no need to say any more.

'51.5 / 1'48.5 -> 3'32.8 , 4'49.5 , 7'26.2

for centro, i'd hazard a start with :

~ 49.5 / 1'46.4 -> 3'32.1 , 4'50.5 , 7'32.0'

Instead of this nonsense lets have a look at their actual pr's:

Rupp:

1500 Metres 3:39.14 Eugene, OR 30/05/2009

Centro

1500 Metres 3:34.46 Monaco 22/07/2011

Centro is not going to lose that advantage over just over a lap. It might be closer if Rupp was concentrating over middle distances, but he's not

clearly the concept of the 3k event being weak is lost on you

how can a 3'29/12'50 guy like sief have a 7'25.0 whereas a 3'31i/12'39 guy like geb only have the same ???

i suggest you go look at the 3k in doha - 3 guys run 7'27 with eliud running a derisory 1'32 split between 2000 - 2600m to neuter the race

that shouda been a 1'30 split & it woudn't have slowed their last lap by much - yenew shouda gone high-7'25 & soi/eluid wouda been around low-7'26

even if rupp ever runs 7'26, in terms of 3k ability, he still woudn't make top-12 all-time if all the other guys 7'26 - 7'30 had managed to also run "perfect" races

idiot

rupp is a completely different guy from '09

prior to '09 his 10k best was 27'33 & last year he took it down to 27'10 in '10 & he is likely lot better now

he'd run a 1500 off endurance & whilst he is no komen who coud run 3'29 off 12'39 strength, he is certainly talented enough to go sub-3'33 in a "perfect" race off his endurance & some superb previous speed of 1'49i

ventolin^3 wrote:

idiot

rupp is a completely different guy from '09

prior to '09 his 10k best was 27'33 & last year he took it down to 27'10 in '10 & he is likely lot better now

he'd run a 1500 off endurance & whilst he is no komen who coud run 3'29 off 12'39 strength, he is certainly talented enough to go sub-3'33 in a "perfect" race off his endurance & some superb previous speed of 1'49i

He will never run 3:32 except in your head

you really are an idiot

mo had a derisory 3'38pb before '09

i said back then he shoud be running 3'33 with his 5k strength

go watch his monaco 1500 in '09...

ventolin^3 wrote:

you really are an idiot

mo had a derisory 3'38pb before '09

i said back then he shoud be running 3'33 with his 5k strength

go watch his monaco 1500 in '09...

So what, he's a different runner, Rupp will never run 3:32

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Just because a runner does a good time at one distance does not mean he will run well on all!

Results just come in from your prediction contest attempt:

is it even possible for a sub13 guy to not be able to run 3:32?

tough stuff wrote:

is it even possible for a sub13 guy to not be able to run 3:32?

Yes:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

tough stuff wrote:

is it even possible for a sub13 guy to not be able to run 3:32?

Yes:

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=2011/sex=M/all=n/legal=A/disc=5000/detail.html

what are you showing me in that link

don't waste your time with that moron

the answer to your question has an answer, but i can't find it - it is very, very hard to answer, as you are effectively asking for equivalent times

the tool is there which will give you the answer, but it is deciding what you are going to put in as input

anyhows, i'll make a rough start

13'00 requires speed of 47 - 55 ( anything outside of this is pretty much inconceivable as the 800/10k times in the following as "tweakers" shows )

13'00 with

47 ->3'26.5 , 7'24.7 , 1'42.5 , 27'45.7

that 800 shows you are looking for a near impossible guy : 13'00 & 1'42.5 ??

48 ->3'28.3 , 7'26.2 , 1'43.9 , 27'38.8

that line is feasible - somewhat like aouita

49 ->3'30.1 , 7'27.7 , 1'45.4 , 27'32.0

still too quick under-distance for most 13'00 guys

50 ->3'31.9 , 7'29.2 , 1'46.9 , 27'25.1

very possible, but 1500 is bit quick for most 13'00

51 ->3'33.7 , 7'30.8 , 1'48.3 , 27'18.3

getting there, still think 10k is bit slow

52 ->3'35.5 , 7'32.3 , 1'49.8 , 27'11.4

that is a good line

53 ->3'37.2 , 7'33.8 , 1'51.2 , 27'04.5

still within possibility ( 13'00 & 27'04 are not unlikely )

54 ->3'39.0 , 7'35.3 , 1'52.7 , 26'57.7

getting slightly incredulous with that 10k

55 ->3'40.8 , 7'36.8 , 1'54.1 , 26'50.8

that's not happening - 26'50 off 13'00

you can see the problem

we only have a likelihood of a line being correct for a 13'00 guy, not a definitive answer

i'll post that, have a think & ask you & others to have a think on how to go about more definitively selecting a line, which to further tweak...

It is obvious that one can break 13 and not be able to run 3:32. Bob Kennedy is an example. Look at Kenenisa: he ran 3:32 and he was able to run 12:37. It appears that when he is in 12:59 shape, he might only be good for 3:34 or so.

kennster didn't run a 1500 in '04 when in 12'37 shape

his 3'32pb was in '07 when he had a derisory 12'49

that 3'32 had shitty pacing & shouda been nearer low-3'31

still, even in '04, he woud unlikely have gone better than mid-3'30 off 12'37

jennifer cruz wrote:

It is obvious that one can break 13 and not be able to run 3:32. Bob Kennedy is an example. Look at Kenenisa: he ran 3:32 and he was able to run 12:37. It appears that when he is in 12:59 shape, he might only be good for 3:34 or so.

Did Bekele run that time when he was in 12:59 shape or 12:37 shape?

ventolin^3 wrote:

that 3'32 had shitty pacing & shouda been nearer low-3'31

You think almost every race has had "shitty pacing." Spoken like somebody who has never dealt with real racing.

do you think a 58s in a 3'30 attempt is anything but shitty ??

spoken like a guy who has no clue of the importance of the clock

Why the f' are you people still arguing over this.

When's the last time a 10k specialist beat a mid distance runner at their own event.

Centro is clearly better than Rupp at the 1500 just like Rupp is clearly better than Centro at the 5k/10k.

That's why they run those events you retards.