What Conservative Women Know - and Men Can't Say
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What Conservative Women Know - and Men Can't Say
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What Conservative Women Know - and Men Can't Say
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Dude, I've met and spoken with Phyllis Schlafly a couple times and heard numerous interviews with her. I'm a conservative. But I can say with certainty that Schlafly is a very pejorative term starting with a C and ending with a T. This woman believes married women can't be raped by their husbands. She holds numerous wacked beliefs that lose credit to even her sensible ideologies. I didn't watch the video you linked, but I doubt I need to because I've heard Schlafly enough times to know I disagree with her views and a lot of them are inherently misogynistic.
I'm in my late 20s and I've been divorced for about 6 years now. At this point I really don't see myself getting married. I've had long term relationships since then and have even been proposed to twice in the past 5 years but I'd rather not get married. I am sure I have commitment issues but at the same time I am busy and successful in my work and just don't feel I have the time to make a marriage work. I'm also not interested in having children. I guess I'm selfish.
you are a lair.....where is your proof that she believes married women cant be raped? You are AO who even lies about your affiliation!
disillusioned. wrote:
Maybe it's just because I've become jaded by reading this messageboard, but are there any other women on here who don't particularly want to get married? In some ways I feel like there's a lot I'd like to do (travel, etc.) and getting married ties you down in a way (especially for a woman, even in this day and age).
Nice job troll. And if you're not trolling, then you really suck at life. I hope you don't get married because that will keep you miserable and will keep some man happy.
"By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."
http://www.sunjournal.com/node/682725
Nope, not lying. Not lying at all. And yes, I've spoken with her a couple times. She's a grade A misogynist. No respect for that woman. Listening to her talk is a waste of time. Again, this is coming from a conservative.
I do see where you are coming from. I am a doctor and make around $250,000 and have been married a few years. My husband is also a doctor and makes slightly less than I do.
I actually also felt similarly at one point. I did not want to "marry rich" and live like a leech the rest of my life, I wanted to at least be able to support myself and be somewhat independent. I also wanted to travel (that would go along with being able to support myself/make enough to travel) and did not want to be "tied down" in the prime of my life.
When I first met my husband I actually did not know he was a doctor at the time but found him engaging to talk to (this was important for me because I would prefer to be able to carry on at least some intellectual conversation with a partner). Since we both work full time, we share household duties fairly equally and it has worked out well. I know this messageboard does have a lot of bitter folks, but there are a few men out there who can be different, it is just a matter of finding the few and far between. I do understand if you don't want to settle down for a while though, with more and more people going to college and our lifespans getting longer, people are getting married later and later. Just do your thing and explore and see the world and who knows, you might just stumble upon the right person.
The divorce rates nationally are around 50%, but for the demographic of this message board-caucasian, middle class, college educated-the divorce rate is far better than 50%.It's the most economically disadvantaged that suffer the highest divorce rates.So no, not all the people with a demographic background similar to yours has a totally disillusioned view of marriage.Is the divorce rate higher than ideal? Should it be a factor when moving toward marriage? yes.
Lesson from an Old Timer wrote:
disillusioned. wrote:Maybe it's just because I've become jaded by reading this messageboard, but are there any other women on here who don't particularly want to get married? In some ways I feel like there's a lot I'd like to do (travel, etc.) and getting married ties you down in a way (especially for a woman, even in this day and age).
Make no mistake about it, marriage is not for the faint-hearted. In the long run, there is nothing easy about it, particularly if children are involved. Forget the romanticized notions - poof, gone within the first 5 years. The well quoted statistic that 50% of all first marriages in divorce is true. And of the 50% that survive -well at least 50% of those are bordering on miserable and stay together for financial reasons. Having said all that, marriage can be a fine institution for those that have the disposition for it. Simple fact is, most of us don't. In the long run, it has nothing to do with looks. By the time we are 60 we all look like hell. A successful marrigae takes a strong desire, discipline, and a lot of damn hard work. Contrary to a popular and long-held belief, marriage and motherhood or fatherhood does not make you a better person. For many, it's a personal tragedy that results in the ruin of many lives. It's a not a decision to take lightly. There is no hurry and you may decide you would be better off devoting your life to another worthwhile pursuit....just as many people have done before you.
Join our team honey.
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I'm a 26 yr old F and sometimes I wonder about the question the OP first asked. I come from an extremely small down and I find it somewhat terrifying that 3/4's of my HS classmates are now married with children. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but that's almost everyone.
Also, I have higher expectation of what I would want to feel for someone if I was to get married. I don't know who else would agree on here but it seems like most of my friends and family have gotten married for reasons of convenience and comfort. I suppose you could say these are not entirely BAD reasons, but I refuse to get married for just those. I don't want to spend the rest of my life with someone because I love them for all of the things they do for me and because they are a good person in general and I'm used to being in a relationship with them that "works." I do want that, but I also want to be IN love with them. I think that's why I'm 26 and have yet to have a relationship longer than 2 years. I don't believe it's hard to know if you want to wake up next to that person every day for the rest of your life. Only so many people can elicit that feeling.
Marriage isn't necessarily the "answer" to happiness. figure out what you want, what will make you happy. at some point, if that includes a husband - great! if not, you still have the potential to have a great career and to make enough money that you can have everything else you want; house, kids, etc. I'm single with 2 adult daughters and I wouldn't change a thing.
Neliah2507 wrote:
I'm a 26 yr old F and sometimes I wonder about the question the OP first asked. I come from an extremely small down and I find it somewhat terrifying that 3/4's of my HS classmates are now married with children. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but that's almost everyone.
Also, I have higher expectation of what I would want to feel for someone if I was to get married. I don't know who else would agree on here but it seems like most of my friends and family have gotten married for reasons of convenience and comfort. I suppose you could say these are not entirely BAD reasons, but I refuse to get married for just those. I don't want to spend the rest of my life with someone because I love them for all of the things they do for me and because they are a good person in general and I'm used to being in a relationship with them that "works." I do want that, but I also want to be IN love with them. I think that's why I'm 26 and have yet to have a relationship longer than 2 years. I don't believe it's hard to know if you want to wake up next to that person every day for the rest of your life. Only so many people can elicit that feeling.
Unfortunately, the LOVE part rarely ever lasts. Eventually, that "significant other" becomes about as "significant" as an old worn out shoe, which you may or may not care about keeping around.
disillusioned. wrote:
...reading what some of the guys on this messageboard say seems to just justify my real-ife experiences.
If you think this messageboard has a strong link to reality, you're not too bright. It's fine and great to think you'll never want a partner. In reality, you'll almost certainly be lonely and regret how you spent your youth once you hit 40-45 if you're still alone.
We all like to think we're special and above these basic needs/emotions...particularly while tough times seem to be a long way off. But when you get the news you have cancer at 50, or your parents die, or (whatever), and you're still just going home to your cat at night, you'll be sorry that you thought you could fill your life up with just work and running and some friends (who will most likely all be married with kids).
It's all about finding the right person. Marriage is not always wonderful, but if you have a good partner, it's much better than wasting away towards death by yourself. On the other hand, if you have a bad partner, then life will be terrible. Be open to relationships and positive about the possibility of finding a good mate.
BTW, I have a PhD in engineering and make 6 figures as you "most likely be making". There are plenty of guys who are equal footing with you in their careers. I know plenty of other nice guys who wouldn't give a rip that you make more than them.
That's a decent salary but if the men you are meeting are intimidated by that you are looking the wrong place. I live in the Bay Area and most of the people I know are physicians, lawyers, or work in tech or financial services. Everyone makes more than the salary you mentioned. Any manager, or senior level anayst will make at least that much and around $200 with a 50% bonus is very common.
What I find interesting is that there seems to be an assumption that you're either a) single or b) married. There's quite a few of us who are "settled down" in long term relationships, but see no point in marriage.
I'm 37, and with the man I hope to spend the rest of my life with (relationship is 4 years old, so it's not like this is a short term infatuation thing). But marriage has never ever come up, and I really don't care if it ever does. I'm with him, and that's all that really matters to me. And if we ever do go our separate ways, I'd prefer it to be with as little distress and need to disentangle as possible.
I could see the need for marriage when there was a traditional separation of roles. But nowadays, women and men are on a close to equal financial footing, and there's no need to protect a women's investment in the relationship. It's an outdated institution, IMHO.
darkwave wrote:
What I find interesting is that there seems to be an assumption that you're either a) single or b) married. There's quite a few of us who are "settled down" in long term relationships, but see no point in marriage.
I'm 37, and with the man I hope to spend the rest of my life with (relationship is 4 years old, so it's not like this is a short term infatuation thing). But marriage has never ever come up, and I really don't care if it ever does. I'm with him, and that's all that really matters to me. And if we ever do go our separate ways, I'd prefer it to be with as little distress and need to disentangle as possible.
I could see the need for marriage when there was a traditional separation of roles. But nowadays, women and men are on a close to equal financial footing, and there's no need to protect a women's investment in the relationship. It's an outdated institution, IMHO.
All that sounds great until you have children. It's just not that simple when you have dependents.
neeeeeeee-Did you graduate from a crappy school or were you grades so low that............
Even liberal arts grads make more than that to start.
consider that the cost of living there is higher too..
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consider that the cost of living there is higher too..
A lot higher. You're not going to touch a habitable place to live in the Bay area for less than 3/4 of a million. I know a couple that are relocating from Seattle, which is not cheap by the way, and just sold their townhome for $300K and to find something comparable in the Bay area cost them $750K.
I am a 26 year old female as well. I have had two successful careers and I will have completed my Master's degree in one month. In my life I have only ever had one long term relationship and it was long in duration but not long in love. I have been in love before, and though the love was deep the duration was short.
I have no idea if I am going to get married. If it happens, cool, if not, that is ok too. It is hard to explain to people sometimes. People can't fathom how an attractive, 26 year old with her shit together could possibly be single and ok with that. I am insanely happy but it is a different happy than the happy you experience by being in a relationship. Not better or worse, just different.
Part of the appeal that I have as a person is that fact that I am 26 single and completely fabulous. To the OP and my girls along the way. If you want to get married, make sure he is worth it and make it count. If you want to stay single, rock it out. Whatever you do, life is too short to be unsure about who you are and what you want.