your bet wrote:
I think it is sort of funny that all these Nike athletes are being forced to train under Jerry. The fact that Nike offers one amount to stay with current coach, but another to join OTC (Salazaar, rowlands, schumacher) is despicable.
Why is it "despicable"? Does your employer let you completely dictate your work conditions, including residence?
Well for one thing one of his runners ran 26:59 for 10K and 3 times has broken 13 min in the 5K. One of his runners medaled in world XC and was 2nd in NY. I'd say he's a pretty good coach.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jay's idea for Brent to go to Jerry so that he could have a training group that fit him better.
Where is this information coming from? Did Nike put out a press release? Did Vaughn tweet it? I don't believe it yet.
What has Jerry Schumacher done on World level?
What has any american born really done on the world level? Coach or athlete? Just saying, not much lately.
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binks wrote:
Where is this mythical research? Direct me to where I can find this. On second thought I'm sure your word is solid as oak. I'll just go with the random message board guy since no message boarder has ever mislead anyone in the history of the internet.
Here are two. There might be more than this, or maybe there are subsequent studies that contradict these, but I haven't spent much time researching, so take these for what they're worth. Found these by searching "running surface" in Pubmed.
The Ontario cohort study of running-related injuries.
Walter SD, Hart LE, McIntosh JM, Sutton JR.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, McMaster University, Hamilton, Canada.
Abstract
A cohort of 1680 runners was enrolled through two community road race events and monitored during a 12-month follow-up period for the occurrence of musculoskeletal injuries. Forty-eight percent of the runners experienced at least one injury, and 54% of these injuries were new; the remainder were recurrences of previous injuries. The risk of injury was associated with increased running mileage but was relatively unassociated with other aspects of training, such as usual pace, usual running surface, hill running, or intense training. Injury rates were equal for all age-sex groups and were independent of years of running experience. Runners injured in the previous year had approximately a 50% higher risk for a new injury during follow-up.
A survey of running injuries in 1505 competitive and recreational runners.
Brunet ME, Cook SD, Brinker MR, Dickinson JA.
SourceDepartment of Orthopaedic Surgery, Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans, Louisiana 70112.
Abstract
A 33 item multiple choice questionnaire was circulated; completed questionnaires from 1505 runners (1130 male and 375 female) were obtained. Questions focused upon training, injuries sustained, and medical care. Biomechanical imbalances such as leg length inequality appear to be a major contributing factor to running injuries. Correction of an underlying biomechanical defect may be important in the treatment of many running injuries. Female runners were found to be more susceptible than males to stress fractures at higher mileages. The cause of this increased incidence may be attributable to lower bone mineral density levels as a result of hormonal factors. Factors such as running surface, age and stretching techniques do not appear to play a significant part in the pathogenesis of running injuries.
he's been hurt, has not run anywhere near what he ran in college (13:18 5k kicking with lagat, and does not have anyone to train with in boulder, so i can see why he'd leave. But when did they make this announcement? "word is in boulder" doesn't sound especially reliable.
The only thing in common here is everybody looking for the pot of gold perfect training , if does not happen in Boulder , go to Portland , if not Portland , Im not sure of the next stop ?
Im afraid for many , no matter where they go or who coaches them , they just will not get the results they hope for...
sanjaya wrote:
he's been hurt, has not run anywhere near what he ran in college (13:18 5k kicking with lagat, and does not have anyone to train with in boulder, so i can see why he'd leave. But when did they make this announcement? "word is in boulder" doesn't sound especially reliable.
I like this post.
Vaughn was a beast in college. The guy has the talent, but he's not a kid anymore. Getting to a desperate time in his career - Olympics are next year, and conceivably 2016 is out of his range, save the bastion of marathoning which becomes everyone's last hope. I like the move and hope it works out for him, because Boulder isn't.
supermule wrote:
Where is this information coming from? Did Nike put out a press release? Did Vaughn tweet it? I don't believe it yet.
Trust me, it's true.
I know this much, Jay was talking openly about this at the Colorado State Track Meet over the weekend.
I wonder if the increase in size of both Jerry and Salazar's groups will negatively affect the training of their original athletes (Kara, Solinksy, Teg, etc).
All of these new athletes in the groups has to take away time and attention from each individual.
Jerry now coaches: Teg, Solinksy, Bumbi, Jager, Nelson, Vaughn, Lopez, Koll, and Flanagan.
shut up forest whitaker
Diminishing Returns wrote:
I wonder if the increase in size of both Jerry and Salazar's groups will negatively affect the training of their original athletes (Kara, Solinksy, Teg, etc).
Kara fans will have to look for a better excuse than this. No doubt Solinsky and Shalanne will continute to perform well.
I believe that Schumacher said in a recent interview that he prefers to coach many athletes at one time while Salazar prefers a smaller group. I believe he even went on to say that he would most ideally coach ~20-25 athletes at one time.
Diminishing Returns wrote:
I wonder if the increase in size of both Jerry and Salazar's groups will negatively affect the training of their original athletes (Kara, Solinksy, Teg, etc).
All of these new athletes in the groups has to take away time and attention from each individual.
Jerry now coaches: Teg, Solinksy, Bumbi, Jager, Nelson, Vaughn, Lopez, Koll, and Flanagan.
You forgot Bairu. YOU MORON!!!!!!! YOURE A MORON!
l;kjl;jk wrote:
Diminishing Returns wrote:I wonder if the increase in size of both Jerry and Salazar's groups will negatively affect the training of their original athletes (Kara, Solinksy, Teg, etc).
All of these new athletes in the groups has to take away time and attention from each individual.
Jerry now coaches: Teg, Solinksy, Bumbi, Jager, Nelson, Vaughn, Lopez, Koll, and Flanagan.
You forgot Bairu. YOU MORON!!!!!!! YOURE A MORON!
Ventolin, is that you?
Brent leaving for OTC was not inspired by Jay in any way...
So setting the specific situation aside, what's the deal with Boulder? It used to be a running mecca but there are very few world-class runners training there anymore. What's going on?
It boils down to resources. There are no USATF funded groups in boulder or groups back by shoe company sponsorships, like Nike-OTC, McMillan-Adidas, and now Warhurst-New Balance. Until that happens, I think you will see athletes come and go from Boulder. Which is a shame since it is a beautiful place to live/train and there is a large population of elite distance athletes in the area (granted mostly triathletes).
I do know this, Brent respects Jay and loved having him as a coach, but needs the group to push him. Now is the most logical time for a switch with the Olympics a year away. If that type of group were in Boulder, he wouldn't be leaving for Portland.