2:18....It's really quite simple. Here's how YOU can do it.

JasonInChina wrote:

Sleep on your back to keep the body in alignment.

Always on your back?

I stopped doing that, to take any pressure off my calves.

But it does open your lungs. Last night I slept about 1/2 the night on my back. Otherwise I sleep on one side or the other.

Jason designs slot machines for a living and apparently, as long as he has an internet connection, can do this from anywhere in the world.

Oh yeah. I saw an article about him a few weeks ago actually. Guess I didn't put 2 and 2 together and realize it was this Jason; stupid me.

Yo, BGD. As a 2:49 marathoner, I'm very interested in what a 2:18 marathoner is doing. Unless your PR is 2:17, I suggest you shut your pie hole and take some notes.

If you want to do 2:15, go for it. Just run faster.

Cheers!

jason

Cooter, I ran my first marathon back in 1989 in 2;44, so basically the same level as you right now.

Just up the mileage and focus mainly on

PRIORITY 1: TEMPO RUNS

PRIORITY 2: LONG RUNS/INTERVALS.

Based on my experiences, longer tempo run of 12-20 miles are the best way to improve your marathon time.

Jason

Storytime = troll = assh*le

2:18 in Berlin isn't a lie.

Jason , You forgot to add Albuquerque on your altitude list.

Remember Khalid K. and Paula train here.

Eddy

j -

are slotmachines what you do with a math degree? i could get in on that racket...

anyway, i like what you say about long runs, miles, tempos... a couple of questions... 1)what if you did the long run once a week, instead of once every two weeks, and 2) if you're going "allout" with anaerobic intervals, do you think maybe one would be better served by substituting high volume of more controlled intervals, and then doing strides every often?

the last two seem to be what rodgers and shorter did (with the high miles and tempos) week in, week out, for years and years and.........

also, there is the bonus question of throwing tempo into long run. like JK suggests, or like, to take it further, the way KK sprints the last 2 miles of his long run. so intense that he CANNOT SLEEP the night BEFORE them. how many people on earth train like that?

KARANGASEM: YOU WANNA WIN A SEAGAMES GOLD MEDAL NEXT YEAR IN HANOI????? (I will be there cheering for you and my Lao friends)

There is a non-stop flight from KL to Kunming on ChinaYunnanAirlines. Get on that flight and get here on about the 27th of December and plan to stay for 3-4 months.

Jason

Actually it is very feasible. You just have to want to. Jason has mentioned in many interviews that he he does his work on a computer, and as long as he has a computer and a phone line, he can work pretty much everywhere.

Once you have the freedom to WORK anywhere you want like Jason does, then you just have to have the finicial fortitude to pull the rest of it off. Do you spend $7-10 dollars or more each and every work day for things like lunch, coffee, muffins, candybars? Do you drive to work each day and spend money on gas? Do you need to keep your business attire up to date? Do you see more than 2 movies a month or eat out more than 2 times a month? There are so many ways to save money.

It is all about priorities. Jason wanted to move to a place where he could train himself to be the best runner he could be, and obviously he puts a lot of time and energy into making that happen. This includes flying around a bit, but so what? Plane tickets aren't that expensive, and if you've set it up to be able to do it and you've focused your life on that very thing, it isn't that hard to do at all. Not what I want to do, so I'm not, but I always marvel when people are so AMAZED that someone was able to do a certain thing. That kind of thinking doesn't accomplish anything. Nike has it right, "Just Do It."

Jason,

Was curious if you spoke any other languages. Also, have you spent any time in Japan? I would send this question via email but I don't know your address.

Thanks,

JC[

im looking forward to the trip.

about staying...ermmm,...its abit difficult, see wut i can do.

n its impossible to win gold as long as buenavista trains n runs. When i get myself to 14:20s, perhaps he'll be already doing 13:30s.

karangasem.

While I believe Jason is the real deal as well a good athlete, you have to take most of his stories with a grain of salt. Some of what he posts is the truth, but most all of it is exaggerated. I know Jason, but the guy does live in a fantasy world half the time.

Also, the above mentioned workouts worked for him, but surely does not mean it works best for everyone. He was right on though by saying experiment with what works best.

He has been to Asia, but only for a few weeks and not as long as he says. Most of his training is done right here near the West Coast.

Do most of you pretty much agree we should be doing our best to replicate the long runs of KK, and basically closing the last few miles as fast as possible?

Also, is there a clear line between your long runs and your very long tempo runs? Do you do your long runs slow until the last few miles, or is the pace pretty comparable to, say, a 16 mile tempo run.

Don't let these morons dissing 2:18 bother you at all. Its obvious they are loser morons, and probably never ran a marathon, because if they did they would understand how hard it is and wouldn't denegrate others. I would give my right arm for 2:18.

It has already been stated here or somewhere else that a

coach watched KK go on the track and run 20 at 4:46, and

they were dumbfounded. DaCosta did similar workouts, and

back in time others have run the first 18 to 20 miles of

a marathon at race pace before dropping out. So there is

a history of the evolution of this type of training. And the

Japanese hammer 30 k's. So it is an accepted component for

running sub 2:07. The only debatable point is how much rest,

recovery or inactivity you need, and how long before the

marathon.

Man, if I went through all the above as Jason suggets and ended up with a 2:18 marathon I'd throw in the towel. That kind of effort should yield a 2:10 or better.

If you want to train that hard and have mid-level talent (2:18) it might be better to give up running and take up a lesser endurance sport like triathlon where 2:18 talent might get you on an Olympic team.

Jason,

I'm a 2:18 guy. I've drunken beer with your agent's husband and your agent, I've advised guys and gals who've run decent for 26.2. My question is pretty simple. What if you have an athlete who get's hurt on mileage? What if you get an athlete who responds better to mile reps than tempo runs, better to 400's than mile reps? Is there room in your marathon world for them?

Joe

Joe,

Are you telling me Jason has an agent? For what? Running?