Newly diagnosed with Hashimotos Thyroiditis...anyone have any insight?

tomtom wrote:actually pig thyroid is used as medicine, so pretty close shot, yet I'm talking about bringing body back to natural state, when no artifical hormones should be used.

ps. sorry for my English again, can't get dictionary fixed on this chrome.

To Mr tomtom:

I am most interested in hearing about how I can keep Hashimoto's in check through dietary alternatives. Will you please post your e-mail address so I may contact you?

do wa diddy diddy wrote:

tomtom wrote:actually pig thyroid is used as medicine, so pretty close shot, yet I'm talking about bringing body back to natural state, when no artifical hormones should be used.

ps. sorry for my English again, can't get dictionary fixed on this chrome.

Would you like a shake or two of dessicated pig with your meal?

Ah, to make things clean - I'm not using and not recommending pig thyroid. Official medicine use it.

me hashi 2 wrote:

To Mr tomtom:

I am most interested in hearing about how I can keep Hashimoto's in check through dietary alternatives. Will you please post your e-mail address so I may contact you?

Why not here, so others can get some hints too?

(sorry for terrible English)

Basically you need to make 4 things:

1. switch diet to one recommended by dr Ornish. It's most healthy diet possible, scientifically proved to reverse some kinds of cancer and atherosclerosis. And pretty good diet for runner too, as it's very similar to diet of native Kenya runners. Just google it.

2. fix omega 3 to omega 6 ratio. You need to cut down omega 6 almost completetly, while taking ALOT of omega 3 for few months. Flaxseed oil is probably best one in this case, as fish oil might be contamintated with mercury. In case of flaxseed oil - google "dr budwig past" and eat around 50-100 grams of this oil in form of past daily for a few months. If you decide to use fish oil - calculate EPA intake, it should be between 2 to 4 grams.

3. Very important - remove mercury from your body.

for mercury allergic persons removing amalgam dental fillings (often described as "harmless") virtually cured hashimoto in 70% of cases. Once dental amalgam fillings are removed, you need to use some kind of chelation therapy - cheapest one is with cillantro and alpha-lipoic acid, just google it. And stay as far away as possible from possible mercury sources - mostly fish, but other animals meat is pretty polluted too.

4. Remove fluoride from your body. 1-2 months of boric acid should be enough to flush fluoride almost completely. If you are not sure how to use boric acid, ask someone who know a bit about chemistry.

It should be around 5 ml of 3% boric acid daily, mix it with like 0,5 litre of water and drink small doses during day.

After this, stay as far away as possible from fluoride sources, including tap water if your local government dump toxic waste there.

Supplements that should be used during therapy:

- LOTS of magnesium

- natural form of vitamin E

- around 100-200 mcg of selenium

- 2000-4000 IU of vitamin D daily

- 3x0,5g vitamin C

- beta-alanine (pretty good for athletic performance too)

- MSM or other source of sulfur (great to prevent injury)

- zinc and vitamin A, as it's common for thyroid patients to have deficiency

- and of course vitamin B12, as you probably have very, very low level now

It's all.

After 1-2 months antibodies should be close to 0 (they will most likely raise at beginning responding to body detox, especially if you remove dental fillings - such removal increase amount of mercury in thyroid for a few months, so in this case antibodies will drop after 4-6 months). Once they drop you should supplement iodine - start with very small doses and do it carefully, as allergic reaction can appear. Cheapest (and cleanest) source of iodine is Lugol's solution or tincture of iodine - both have (at common 3%) iodine concentration around 0,4 mg / one drop. Mix one drop in glass of water and you can drink for example 1/10 of it, which equal 0,04 mg. Do NOT use kelp supplements, as they are highly contaminated (just google kelp arsenic).

If you are able to use iodine supplements without aggravating your thyroid, you can probably discount your medicines - do it carefully, as thyroid sometimes become "addicted" to artifical hormones and simple doesn't work, even if it's healthy.

Congratulations, you are healthy and - most important - your diet will greatly reduce chances of most deadly diseases, such as cancer or heart attack.

I have several family members with autoimmune disorders. My brother has Hasimoto's and Scleraderma.

There is a definite relationship/correllation between undiagnosed celiac disease and many autoimmune disorders, Hasimoto's being a big one. The relationship isn't fully understood by medical science, yet.

The problem for my brother was that we didn't know he was gluten intolerant and it fried his thyroid. Many people walk around with a certain level of gluten intolerance without being aware of it. For some it causes no issues at all, for others it causes serious problems.

My brother takes synthroid (I think) and eats a high fat/protein, low carb diet. If he touches bread/pasta/wheat anything he feels absolutely terrible.

Wow! I certainly didn't expect this type of huge response. Thanks to all.

me hashi 2: I actually waited a few weeks after my initial testing and was retested to see if medication was truly necessary. My levels actually drastically worsened and I was told the Hashi's had basically completely destroyed my thyroid, so it isn't working at all. Thus, I figured I had better begin replacement hormones. I never was given the antibody test though. They diagnosed me based on the enlargement/swelling of my thyroid and TSH,FT4 (TSH >100-I guess the lab only went to 100; T4-0.1)

Reng: You have no idea how nice it was to read your lab results and find out that I'm not crazy! My TSH was >100. The lab didn't have a scale to reach my level...it topped out at 100. My doctor said that very same thing; I should be in a coma! Very glad to hear you are back to normal and running is better as well!

Tomtom-thanks so much for the diet info! However, it doesn't look very easy to follow...

I have Hashimoto's too, and I am too lazy to read this whole thread. If no one else has mentioned it, I would highly recommend Synthroid over the generic version of the medication. With most medications, there's not a big difference between the name brand and the generic, but in this case, there is. My TSH levels never stabilized until they put me on Synthroid. Any endocrinologist who knows his/her stuff will probably put you straight onto Synthroid. My GP wasn't that smart.

I've had this for about five years now, and once you get it under control, it's no big deal at all. Hashimoto's is only serious when it's left untreated. As for diet, etc., I don't buy it. Yes, one could have this and Celiac, but I strongly believe that those are two completely separate issues.

When you first hear that you have a DISEASE, it seems like a big deal, but lots of people have this, it barely affects their daily lives, and as far as autoimmune diseases go, it's one of the best ones you can have.

jacabo wrote:

I have several family members with autoimmune disorders. My brother has Hasimoto's and Scleraderma.

There is a definite relationship/correllation between undiagnosed celiac disease and many autoimmune disorders, Hasimoto's being a big one. The relationship isn't fully understood by medical science, yet.

The problem for my brother was that we didn't know he was gluten intolerant and it fried his thyroid. Many people walk around with a certain level of gluten intolerance without being aware of it. For some it causes no issues at all, for others it causes serious problems.

My brother takes synthroid (I think) and eats a high fat/protein, low carb diet. If he touches bread/pasta/wheat anything he feels absolutely terrible.

It's more like they have common cause. There was study once, google it - scientists gave dental amalgam fillings to some sheep. They developed gluten intolerane soon after - animalss that eat only gluten food for life.

And yes, gluten-free diet surely helps with autoimmune disorders, autoimmune reactions and allergy reactions are executed by the same kind of white blood cells - once you get high allergy, your immune system is "aggravated" by it and your autoimmune diseases gets worse (sorry for my english, again). Same goes for lactose - free diet, try it.

It's very easy to follow zero-gluten high-carb diet, there's plenty of healthy high-carb food with no gluten, just to mention bananas. Low-carb diet is death sentence in long run.

Hashi-what?! wrote:

Tomtom-thanks so much for the diet info! However, it doesn't look very easy to follow...

Sure it's not, after all it's therapy to clean and repair your body after years of devastating toxin exposure and unhealthy diet. Your body can't be fixed in week or two. Modern medicine created very dangerous myth - people believe that everything can be "cured" with magic pill, so they do not care about health anymore. But there's no magic in this world. Either you care about your body and live healthy life, or you don't and soon or later you will get sick. There's no exception.

Moi Aussi wrote:

When you first hear that you have a DISEASE, it seems like a big deal, but lots of people have this, it barely affects their daily lives, and as far as autoimmune diseases go, it's one of the best ones you can have.

One problem here - once you get Hashimoto thyroiditis, there's very big chance you will get another autoimmune disease soon, and it's always much more dangerous (as Hashi is, in fact, most common and least dangerous one). It's for reason mentioned above - all autoimmune disorders have common causes.

tomtom wrote:

Supplements that should be used during therapy:

- LOTS of magnesium

- natural form of vitamin E

- around 100-200 mcg of selenium

- 2000-4000 IU of vitamin D daily

- 3x0,5g vitamin C

- beta-alanine (pretty good for athletic performance too)

- MSM or other source of sulfur (great to prevent injury)

- zinc and vitamin A, as it's common for thyroid patients to have deficiency

- and of course vitamin B12, as you probably have very, very low level now

Free??

farce wrote:

farce wrote:

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Hashimotos afflicts women not men.

inside out wrote:

you are so wrong that you don't even know how wrong you are.

Pardon me, I misspoke. It afflicts women and eunichs.

From the NIH: Hypothyroidism is 10 times more common in women than in men. This means that for every 1 male that gets it, 10 females have it. So this means that it affects men.

tomtom wrote:

One problem here - once you get Hashimoto thyroiditis, there's very big chance you will get another autoimmune disease soon, and it's always much more dangerous (as Hashi is, in fact, most common and least dangerous one). It's for reason mentioned above - all autoimmune disorders have common causes.

Can you please provide references from pubmed that back up everything you are saying. Frankly, it sounds like you work for supplement company.

inside out wrote:

Free??

You don't pay for advice, do you?

And most of these supplements are usually prescibed by normal MD's in case of hypothyroidism.

I should have said high fat/protein, low processed carb diet. He eats plenty of vegetables, potatoes, and some fruit and avoids wheat/barley/whole grain junk.

And no, a low-carb diet is not a death sentence in the long run (at least, not for humans). You're showing some dietary ignorance, here.

inside out wrote:

tomtom wrote:

One problem here - once you get Hashimoto thyroiditis, there's very big chance you will get another autoimmune disease soon, and it's always much more dangerous (as Hashi is, in fact, most common and least dangerous one). It's for reason mentioned above - all autoimmune disorders have common causes.

Can you please provide references from pubmed that back up everything you are saying. Frankly, it sounds like you work for supplement company.

EVERYTHING? No way, it would take ages.

But for facts highlighted here, sure:

and so on, and so on...

jacabo wrote:

And no, a low-carb diet is not a death sentence in the long run (at least, not for humans). You're showing some dietary ignorance, here.

sure it is

Thank you for the referneces regarding co-incidence of autoimmune disorders. Very interesting. I'd very much appreicate references of similar quality regarding the use of supplements and diet to treat hypothyroidism.

inside out wrote:

Thank you for the referneces regarding co-incidence of autoimmune disorders. Very interesting. I'd very much appreicate references of similar quality regarding the use of supplements and diet to treat hypothyroidism.

It's COMMON knowledge

On every hypothyroid website you can read about selenium

It's common knowledge hypothyroid patients have very low levels of vitamins A and E, very low level of zinc, critically low level of B12

It's common knowledge sulfur greatly help to eliminate mercury from body, as well as keep tendonitids (common hypothyroid problem) away. Same for magnesium, it's base of mercury chelation. It's rumoured beta-alanine helps with mercury detox, but even if it doesn't it's one of most pro-health supplements available anyway, so it's worth to take. And it's probably best possible supplement for long distance runners, just search this board.

Dr Ornish diet is simply best possible diet available as has been proved by clinical trials, you can easily find them yourself. It's also mandatory to keep low intake of saturated fat, if you want to enchace your omega 3 intake and metabolism - also common medical knowledge. Google fatty acid pyramid or something like that.

Sorry, I will not waste my time finding evidence for something as obvious as - for example - use of selenium. Every good endo prescribe selenium for hypothyroid patients even before doing anything else, same for B12.

When did I ever say my brother ate according to the Atkins diet?

Besides, your website, atkinsexposed.org, is hardly a reputable nutrition information website. It a website created by doctors to bash a doctor who challenged their long-held (albiet, faulty) belief that saturated fat is the number one killer in the United States.