I agree totally that it is conduct, and that the conduct is age-specific.
But think about the concept of shame, of social censure, and of the lack of caring about social censure.
I'm sorry, but if a person who exhibits said conduct is not of diminished capacity, then he is just full of himself.
That is the basic definition of a jerk.
Sprint Geezer wrote:
It's because nobody reasonable wants the quality of their life's experience lowered by remaining in the avoidable presence of the unpalatable.
It's always the sprinters who are the drama queens, eh?
Look the other way, big guy. Maintain the quality of your life by focusing your attention elsewhere. It's sort of like turning the channel, you know?
It's pervy and wierd to see a guy naked in the shower or dressing room? This from the generation that was getting b*******s in the back of the bus in the 5th grade? God, I feel sorry for kids today.
As someone already explained, as kids we all took gym everyday for our entire school career. In addition, we showered after gym class. If you swam at the Y or the boys club in the city, you usually did it sans swim trunks. Somehow, now, if a kid sees another kids junk in gym, "it's gay."
Somebody explain why teenage pregnancies are at an all time high despite the availability of contraception, abortion, and sex education. Why are kids videoing their girlfriends and putting it on the net for all to see? Why are the girls so quick to drop their shorts or pull their tops up? Seems many of you have your priorities all messed up.
Hey, like I said, it's not WHAT they do, but the WAY in which they do it.
I'm in my mid-40's, and I had mandatory showers after gym class all through school. No problem. Even had naked towel fights in the shower. I STILL shower after every workout.
But face it--some old guys are just disgusting jerks.
Not ALL guys, but there are some, and if you haven't noticed them, you're just as oblivious as they are.
You seem to care an awful lot about naked guys in the locker room. Get over it.
Sprint Geezer wrote:
Hey, like I said, it's not WHAT they do, but the WAY in which they do it.
I'm in my mid-40's, and I had mandatory showers after gym class all through school. No problem. Even had naked towel fights in the shower. I STILL shower after every workout.
But face it--some old guys are just disgusting jerks.
Not ALL guys, but there are some, and if you haven't noticed them, you're just as oblivious as they are.
You know, have you ever really thought about how ANNOYING flies are? House flies, I mean? MY GOD. Pesky little F'ers, rubbing their hair-like legs together, planning to barf and eat whatever carrion lies close, buzzing around like maniacal little scavengers... sheesh. I HATE them.
And if you don't notice the annoyance of flies, then shoot, you're just oblivious. Wake up people!
ray wrote:
Somebody explain why teenage pregnancies are at an all time high despite the availability of contraception, abortion, and sex education.
I think this may be a case of "kids these days! Let me tell you, when I was a kid..." Where is your data to back this claim?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdfThis study shows that the pregnancy rate has dropped from 111 per 1000 teenage women in the 1980's to 70 per 1000 in 2005. That's nearly a 40% decrease in 20 years. Nowhere near an "all time high".
You make very reasoned remarks, Sprint Geezer. Is that just a handle, or are you actually old yourself? Just curious.
I care a lot about courtesy and jerks, those creepy, pasty old pervs being just one small manifestation.
It reflects badly on all of us, especially on someone like me, who in 10 or 15 years will be in that age group.
I don't want to be tarred with the same brush, and as a result I study their conduct closely, so that I can avoid doing it myself.
It's something that many Americans seem to find uniquely foreign--common courtesy and self-awareness.
Ho hum, you seem to exhibit an adolescent mentality. Get over it.
Look, the basic issue is that there are often kids around in the locker rooms, even in the "adult" rooms, where they are sometimes taken by their dads.
It's the adult responsibility to set a good example for the kids. You don't see a kid's dad acting like that in the locker room in front of a kid.
Do you ever wonder WHY they even have separate "boys" and "mens" locker rooms?
Why bother? Is it because there are some guys who just can't govern themselves accordingly in front of kids? i.e. who have no self-control or respect for others around them?
Yes, it is--and those guys are known colloquially as jerks.
So for me there are basically 2 locker rooms--"boys", and "jerks".
One where you have license to be a jerk, and one where you don't.
Given the option, I will take the latter every time.
I think ho-hum IS a Tard with the same brush.
Hate to tell you, but data shows the highest years were the mid to late 90's and that after almost a decade of dropping from that point it is now back up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503957.html
In addition, the guys that the OP was talking about are in their 50's and 60's. Those of you born in the 90's are a little out of line if you think they were a part of the teenage pregnancy problem in the mid 90's.
Two stories:
1) I was working at a university and was in the locker room changing. Some guy (50+) was in there stark naked finishing up a conversation with his friend. His friend left (clothed), and this guy was still naked. He started talking to me, saying he hadn't seen me before and asked if a I was a new faculty member. He then introduced and shook my hand, naked. There was nothing gay about it, but really, it certainly didn't seem normal to be shaking hands with a naked guy.
2) I was in a locker room at a hospital's PT clinic. An older patient (60+) was completely naked mopping the floor (I guess he got it wet from the hydrotherapy pool). When I was done going to the bathroom, he was talking to one of the PT assistants, all casual, leaning up against the wall, still completely naked.
For whatever reason, the older guys do this. I like the theory about it being related to gym classes back in the day.
Long Island Harrier wrote:
I think ho-hum IS a Tard with the same brush.
what
ray wrote:
Hate to tell you, but data shows the highest years were the mid to late 90's and that after almost a decade of dropping from that point it is now back up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503957.htmlIn addition, the guys that the OP was talking about are in their 50's and 60's. Those of you born in the 90's are a little out of line if you think they were a part of the teenage pregnancy problem in the mid 90's.
I'm confused if you are on my side or the other guys. The data present backs what I said. Teen pregnancies are down nearly 40% from the 80s. The 80s were between 20 and 30 years ago. The numbers from today are down over 40% from their peak. He claimed that they were at an all time high and somehow used that to question the current generations morals. It's not even close. Also, the peak isn't close to the "late 90s". It's at 1990. By 1999 it was less than any prior time depicted.
Sprint geezer - you have way too many issues with this nakedness thing. It's all rather creepy... please stay away from the young boys, as you seem to be a closet perv yourself.
As earlier stated, in previous eras people showered en masse and swam naked (YMCA) and saw this as normal. It's now seen as perverted because the perverts are the ones defining the activity as such - and the kids of today are the one's suffering for it, as a bunch of insecure perverts (re: porn addicted) who have guys like sprint geezer to blame for it. Nakedness is natural (and one doesn't have to be a nudist to appreciate this fact of life) and those who have a probplem with it are the ones with screwed up attitudes.
Ahem wrote:
ray wrote:Hate to tell you, but data shows the highest years were the mid to late 90's and that after almost a decade of dropping from that point it is now back up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503957.htmlIn addition, the guys that the OP was talking about are in their 50's and 60's. Those of you born in the 90's are a little out of line if you think they were a part of the teenage pregnancy problem in the mid 90's.
I'm confused if you are on my side or the other guys. The data present backs what I said. Teen pregnancies are down nearly 40% from the 80s. The 80s were between 20 and 30 years ago. The numbers from today are down over 40% from their peak. He claimed that they were at an all time high and somehow used that to question the current generations morals. It's not even close. Also, the peak isn't close to the "late 90s". It's at 1990. By 1999 it was less than any prior time depicted.
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Ahem wrote:
I'm confused if you are on my side or the other guys. The data present backs what I said. Teen pregnancies are down nearly 40% from the 80s. The 80s were between 20 and 30 years ago. The numbers from today are down over 40% from their peak. He claimed that they were at an all time high and somehow used that to question the current generations morals. It's not even close. Also, the peak isn't close to the "late 90s". It's at 1990. By 1999 it was less than any prior time depicted.
I'm pretty sure that he thinks that a couple of years of 3% increase at the end of a long decrease proves that teen pregnancy rates are at an all time high. I think his claim that late 90's was the peak also demonstrates his innumeracy.
some old guys was doing naked yoga in the sauna
friggin liberals
i just shut my eyes but he was chanting too
long john baldry wrote:
Sprint geezer - you have way too many issues with this nakedness thing. It's all rather creepy... please stay away from the young boys, as you seem to be a closet perv yourself.
As earlier stated, in previous eras people showered en masse and swam naked (YMCA) and saw this as normal. It's now seen as perverted because the perverts are the ones defining the activity as such - and the kids of today are the one's suffering for it, as a bunch of insecure perverts (re: porn addicted) who have guys like sprint geezer to blame for it. Nakedness is natural (and one doesn't have to be a nudist to appreciate this fact of life) and those who have a probplem with it are the ones with screwed up attitudes.
It's all relative. In the Victorian age, people were far more obsessive about not showing any skin than they are today. On the other hand, many tribes-people managed fine without wearing any clothes since the beginning of humanity. Of course, in most hunter gatherer tribes you aren't going to see the kind of flab that you find on most people today.
You say that "nakedness is natural" but would you be willing to walk down the street and go shopping in the nude if it were legal and weather permitting? Would you want to take a seat next to some fat, sweaty naked guy on a bus? If not, why not? It's seen by most as being perfectly acceptable in a sauna. I'm not saying that being naked in public is necessarily wrong, but, unlike other animal species, we've developed the technology of clothing. I'm a fan of people, especially fat people, who don't take care of their bodies, being clothed. Others are entitled to their opinions.