someone else wrote:
No one can measure goodness. You can't say a person is "truly good" simply because they do everything that you agree with. What if other people have different opinions? Does that make them fakely good or not good? Your view of this seems to be warped.
You're not a very good person... I have much experience in this area.
My best friend in high school. Knowing him has let me know that there really are genuinely good people out there.
I like to think that almost every time I have a choice to make I make the good, ethical, moral choice. But, the evil, bad choice pops into my head every time. I am probably like most people in that respect.
With this guy, he not only always makes the right choices, I am convinced it never even occurs to him not to. He's good to everybody always, has no chips on his shoulder whatsoever, and does this and is considered to be cool by everybody at the same time. He works in a human services job, is active in his church, volunteers a ton of time, and calls no attention to himself.
But, this must be rare, because I have met a lot of really great people in my life, but he is the only one I know who had goodness so ingrained in his DNA. Hard to explain really.
lease wrote:
I have: the first woman (well, other than my mom) that I loved. She was simply a good person--don't know how to say more. I suspect that everyone who knew her, loved her.
And she was absolutely brilliant, too. Sadly, she died at a young age, leaving her husband and young daughter. And hundreds of grieving friends, students, and colleagues.
Barb, I miss you still.
One of the gayest things I've ever seen written on this site.
There was a guy I knew in sixth grade who was so unbelievably benign and calm and forgiving and genial to everyone. His name was George and he had an unpronounceable last name. So everyone just called him George Friend, and with no mockery. At the end of the year at a school assembly, he got an award for ...well, for being George Friend.
I met a guy name Kwai Chang Caine. he seemed like a very good person.
Later I heard he tied himself up in a Thai ladyboy brothel and hung himslef.
yes
Would you have posted this reply if I asked if you knew of someone who was truly athletic? Why does the goodness question cause such consternation?Are you a lawyer, or criminal, or banker, or a ........sprinter?
someone else wrote:
no one can measure goodness. You can't say a person is "truly good" simply because they do everything that you agree with. What if other people have different opinions? Does that make them fakely good or not good? Your view of this seems to be warped.
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No, I'm just saying that you can't measure goodness. All I'm asking is, whose standard of goodness are you using to determine if someone is "truly good"? There's no such thing as a truly good person, IMO. We all have done wrong at some point. So what is the point of this thread, anyway?[/quote]
Conundrum wrote:
Would you have posted this reply if I asked if you knew of someone who was truly athletic? Why does the goodness question cause such consternation?
Are you a lawyer, or criminal, or banker, or a ........sprinter?
someone else wrote:no one can measure goodness. You can't say a person is "truly good" simply because they do everything that you agree with. What if other people have different opinions? Does that make them fakely good or not good? Your view of this seems to be warped.
No, I'm just saying that you can't measure goodness. All I'm asking is, whose standard of goodness are you using to determine if someone is "truly good"? There's no such thing as a truly good person, IMO. We all have done wrong at some point. So what is the point of this thread, anyway?[/quote][/quote]
What do you have against lawyers, bankers and sprinters?
William Budd
Yes, I have. Here are a few reasons why I think he qualifies:
I've never heard express anger toward anybody else. I've never heard him raise his voice. I've only ever once heard him sound less than optimistic, and he was in a wheelchair and facing an unrelated heart surgery with a less than exciting prospect for success.
When he was younger, he worked at a YMCA, and was covering a front desk shift (unrelated to his job as a social worker), and some guys robbed him and beat the crap out of him. He offered them the resources at his disposal as a social worker.
He has been married for 53 years.
That said, I don't agree with him politically on most topics. That doesn't seem to matter in my judgment of "goodness."
Yes, a former coworker. Never seemed to say a bad word about anyone, and everyone liked him. Best dude ever.
I married a truly good person.
Conundrum wrote:
The type of person who seems to have an aura of goodness about them. They work hard, are geneous with time and concern for others, seem very happy and you just know they will always do the right thing no matter what the cost.
Yes. Several.
And they puzzle me. I wonder just what the hell they are hiding that they have to "fake" being so nice and good.
Yes, the first girl I ever loved. She ran in high school and was very good but not very competitive, she just liked running ( I think she placed 13th at state one year in CC) She was also in the choir and played the piano. She was very beautiful and very innocent. I remember one time she told me that she had talked behind someones back, once, once in her whole life way back in junior high, but felt bad and never did it again. She was extremely smart and once stayed up all night helping me study for finals because I had procrastinated. Her beauty was literally a once in a generation kind of deal. She told me once that she was walking home from school late after Play practice (she was also a very good actor) when some jerk drove up right next to her and started yelling stuff out the window at her, obviously they liked what they saw and she was terrified that something really bad could happen. Eventually the car rove away after it was stopping traffic going slow enough to stay at her walking speed. She hurried home and called me crying, told me the whole thing and i told her if I ever found this guy I'd kill him but she said that he probably didn't know that he was scaring her that much and she didn't want me to hurt anyone. Later on she became a kindergarten teacher and I don't think she ever got married. Actually I think I'm going to go find her on Fbook or try to get a hold of her. Pray she isn't taken.
Nothing, I was kind of kidding. Damn, now I know I'll never be one of those good people. (I like those "good people" but can't stand the way they make me feel so flawed)
Wise Guy wrote:
[What do you have against lawyers, bankers and sprinters?
That is a great post and I wish you luck in your attempt to reconnect with her.But your post is a great lesson to others. Don't let opportunities slip by. Sometimes you can't hesitate and debate too long. You just have to go for it. What's the worse that can happen?
fdsa wrote:
Yes, the first girl I ever loved. She ran in high school and was very good but not very competitive, she just liked running ( I think she placed 13th at state one year in CC) She was also in the choir and played the piano. She was very beautiful and very innocent. I remember one time she told me that she had talked behind someones back, once, once in her whole life way back in junior high, but felt bad and never did it again. She was extremely smart and once stayed up all night helping me study for finals because I had procrastinated. Her beauty was literally a once in a generation kind of deal. She told me once that she was walking home from school late after Play practice (she was also a very good actor) when some jerk drove up right next to her and started yelling stuff out the window at her, obviously they liked what they saw and she was terrified that something really bad could happen. Eventually the car rove away after it was stopping traffic going slow enough to stay at her walking speed. She hurried home and called me crying, told me the whole thing and i told her if I ever found this guy I'd kill him but she said that he probably didn't know that he was scaring her that much and she didn't want me to hurt anyone. Later on she became a kindergarten teacher and I don't think she ever got married. Actually I think I'm going to go find her on Fbook or try to get a hold of her. Pray she isn't taken.
My dentist is one of these truly good people.
First, he's just a nice guy. always a kind word, and always makes you smile.
Second, the guy does amazing things. He is an inspiration. For instance, he raises a TON of money for charity via his running. I've personally donated hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to his cause. Yet despite his accomplishments, he has no big ego.
Third, he is in the process of setting a world record for a 40+ year old running a sub-3 hour marathon in every state. It seems he runs a 2:52-2:57 marathon every month, and the next day he's as fresh as if he had only run a couple of miles.
This guy is truly a good person.
And you never made any moves on her? Are you queer?
fdsa wrote:
Yes, the first girl I ever loved. She ran in high school and was very good but not very competitive, she just liked running ( I think she placed 13th at state one year in CC) She was also in the choir and played the piano. She was very beautiful and very innocent. I remember one time she told me that she had talked behind someones back, once, once in her whole life way back in junior high, but felt bad and never did it again. She was extremely smart and once stayed up all night helping me study for finals because I had procrastinated. Her beauty was literally a once in a generation kind of deal. She told me once that she was walking home from school late after Play practice (she was also a very good actor) when some jerk drove up right next to her and started yelling stuff out the window at her, obviously they liked what they saw and she was terrified that something really bad could happen. Eventually the car rove away after it was stopping traffic going slow enough to stay at her walking speed. She hurried home and called me crying, told me the whole thing and i told her if I ever found this guy I'd kill him but she said that he probably didn't know that he was scaring her that much and she didn't want me to hurt anyone. Later on she became a kindergarten teacher and I don't think she ever got married. Actually I think I'm going to go find her on Fbook or try to get a hold of her. Pray she isn't taken.
Kip Litton
I don't think valuing others above oneself at all times constitutes a good person. I've met a truly good person, but perhaps I simply don't know her well enough. I have a rather disagreeable interpretation of good person, too. Perfection in my eyes is basically a type of libertinage.
This girl was beautiful. She had principles, oddly enough, but she acted with an honest, humble, and understanding air all the time. She still took her own incentives, although in a rather non-imposing, welcoming fashion.