Your Top Three 10000m runners All-Time, Lady easily runs 4:28.67 last 1600m of a 10000m

J.R. wrote:

The comments about some of Ma's runners being banned for drug use in 2000, runners who were not as fast as the runners in 1993 who passed all tests, even though the 2000 runners did the same or even better training, is more proof to me that any drug use results in a DECREASE in performance.

This only makes sense, as all medications are poisons that are hard on the liver, kidneys, spleen, heart, digestive system and other organs of the body. Any perceived improvement would only be in the mind, not the body, thus always undesirable.

You are an idiot.

jjjjjjjj wrote:

she did destroy the world record and her time has never been approached in 17 years. clarke's and zatopek's destruction of the wr came well before what anyone would consider the modern era of distance running.

I do realize that. But anyone who is going to seriously comment on this topic has to realize this ...

Zatopek - just in the 10k

- he didn't only destroy the 10k record, check into it

- multiple Euro Champs golds

- 2 Olympic Golds

- A win streak of something like 54 races.

- Broke the WR in the 10k five times

- The fact that he set WRs and ORs in both his 10ks, and - 5k/mara, but also lost just before and after his dominance shows that it WAS competitive in that era - you just don't see it.

I don't see Clarke as one of the THREE best ever - as I said - but if he is going to rank Junxia ahead of EVERYONE in history, but Bekele, he shows his ignorance.

Clarke did not have the WC opportunities that we have had since '83 but look at the string of 6 mile and 10,000m WRs he had. On a sequence of marks-basis he is ahead of Junxia, as are many others like Lopes.

Yes, she still has the WR after 17 yrs, and they have been eclipsed by over a minute. But that is only because women are tested now and cannot approach her level in major meets. If Lopes/Zatopek/Viren/Clarke ran in the EPO-era they would be 26:20-26:40 level runners (assuming they were willing to take it).

Dibaba would be solidly beaten by Wang. And Wang was clean.

Let's see, you believe speculatively, that the world record could have been lowered by at least 40 seconds by the same person, and that she could have run sub-14 and sub-2:15. Furthermore, you believe that what people say is proof of the complete opposite (even though what people say has nothing to do with reality), and you also believe that these performances would be legit because "drugs don't help, and it's all in the mind".

I really pray for your sanity and hope you don't expect people here to take you seriously. I also hope for your sake that you are trolling.

Liquing Song was 3rd in the World Championships 10,000. When 5 of this coach's athletes were all suspended by the Chinese authorities, one can see a pattern if you get your head out of your butt. After having 4 Junior women and a few more senior women running under 3:54 in 1997, none of them were running in the Olympics in Sydney after the Chinese authorities pulled the plug on this coach and his runners.Do a little research before making such ridiculous comments and throwing out racism or sexism claims.

#1 has to be Bekele

#2 has to be Geb

#3 I'd like to choose a woman here, but I don't think there has yet been anyone dominant enough for an extended period of time, so #3 would have to go to Lasse Viren

All those Ma athletes were doped up to the tits- everyone knows it

That 10k time is beatable though.. and done clean

I believe that before 1972 the athletes that were most successful wasn't because they were more talented, they did so largely because they trained better and African participation was scarce. In my opinion universal distance running began in 1972; therefore, my top 10000m runners. Yifter is ahead of Haile because he crushed all his opponents while Haile was often chased to the line by a couple opponents and Haile lost more than Yifter in the 10000m.

1.) Kenenisa Bekele

2.) Mirtus Yifter- he introduced real kicking to the world

3.) Haile Gebrsellasie

4.) Lasse Viren- incredible heart

5.) Wang Junxia

6.) Tirunesh Dibaba

7.) Ingrid Kristansen

ukathleticscoach wrote:

All those Ma athletes were doped up to the tits- everyone knows it

That 10k time is beatable though.. and done clean

You people have to be kidding. It may be beaten, but there is no way in hell it was clean. You'd have to be on drugs to not believe they were on some kind of drugs. Or you'd have to believe that everyone is clean nothing rivals that, and if that's what you believe, then you live in a fantasy world where everyone is honest.

Tell me, how can you say so confidently that Wang Junxia was clean when you know so very little about it? Hell, the whole meet was shady, and all of a sudden world records are falling left and right. You don't know how they trained, you don't even know what happened that day, but yet you can say "Yep, it was definitely clean."

All you people are f***ing morons.

One of the greatest 10000m runners ever only ran one 10000m.

He grabbed 800m Bronze in 88 Olympics and 5000m GOLD in 1984 and WON 115 out of 119 races from Sept 1983 to Sept 1990. His personal best ranged from

800m 1:43.86

1500m 3:29.46 WR

2000m 4:50.81 WR

3000m 7:29.45 WR first man under 7:30

5000m 12:58.39 WR first man under 13

debut 10000m 27:26.11 less than 13 second off WR

defeating Olympic Champion A. Cova (Ita) and Bislett Winner Mark Nenow (US). Despite only kicking the last 90 meters he still ran sub 60 second last lap. Said Aouita could have ruled and destroyed all in the 10000m at the following 87 Worlds and 88 Olympics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsNuzBGZHo0

Thanks because I didn't know Said Aoutia ran a 10000m as its not listed in IAAF database. Defeating the reigning Olympic Champion and also one of the fastest 10000m runners of that time in your debut speaks volume of Aouita's talent. I wasn't an Aouita fan before but anyone who runs 1:43.86 to 27:26.11 over 25 years ago has got to be admired.

atrrunner wrote:

Bekele never had a Tergat to contend with. Hard to not pick him though.

I feel bad for Sihine, that dude has got to be the most underrated runner of all time.

Sihine has a faster 5000m PR than Tergat. Sihine has also medaled in international competition at 5000, something Tergat never did.

Sihine has run sub 27 more times than Tergat. Sure Tergat has about 10 seconds on PR but if PRs was the only measure of greatness in an event then this thread would be cut and dried.

Sihine and Tergat both have two Olympic silvers and both gentleman have two WC silvers and a bronze.

Tergat has him crushed in XC, winning 6 medals on the senior side, 5 of them gold to Sihine's two medals, a bronze and silver.

All I'm saying is Sihine is a damn good runner and it is amazing how little credit he gets. It may be a matter of perception, Tergat could stay close to Haile. Sihine could not stay close to Bekele, he got destroyed. I think that suggests Bekele is by far the best 10000m runner ever.

Many people said the track must have been short but once you watch how Wang Junxia unpressed ran a relax 4:28 last 1600m its no doubt she ran the full distance. Was she clean is the question that may never be answered but she definitely ran the full 10000m in her 29:31 WR

Aug 1993

W. Junxia's 1993 10000m World Championship Domination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IytBXo6HE

Sept 1993

splits 29:31.78

1km-2:54.7

2km-5:56.6

3km-8:59.2

4km-12:02.8

5km-15:05.7

6km-18:10.1

7km-21:14.4

8km-23:59.9

9km-26:44.8

last 5km 14:26

all-time 2km list

1st 5:25.36 Sonia O'Sullivan

5th 5:29.41+ Wang Junxia

(during 3km WR 8:06.11)

yet she runs last 2km in her 10000m WR in 5:31.9!!!

Wang Junxia's 3000m WR

Wang Junxia's 10000m WR

Paula Radcliffe Marathon WR

Daniel Komen's 3000m

never again will we see massive improvements like those in distance running in our lifetime.

Sileshi doesn't get the credit he deserve and its because of Kenenisa Bekele. Sileshi accomplishment in the 5000m and 10000m would be a dream come true for just about every current or recently retired athlete except THREE.

It's not that Sileshi isn't as good as Paul Tergat more than Kenenisa is much better at 10000m competitively than Haile was in his prime.

Haile had Paul Tergat who chased him to the finish line in more than one Championships and Haile lost twice in his prime in the 10000m. As good as Sileshi and Zersenay are against the rest of the world they don't have a pray against how dominant Kenenisa is in the 10000m.

AouitaDaMan wrote:

Thanks because I didn't know Said Aoutia ran a 10000m as its not listed in IAAF database. Defeating the reigning Olympic Champion and also one of the fastest 10000m runners of that time in your debut speaks volume of Aouita's talent. I wasn't an Aouita fan before but anyone who runs 1:43.86 to 27:26.11 over 25 years ago has got to be admired.

I don't believe Cova was in that race. In Aouita's 1st 5000 WR, yes...

lol lol lol lol wrote:

I don't believe Cova was in that race. In Aouita's 1st 5000 WR, yes...

Why are you laughing? It's got to be at how stupid you are because you are so wrong Cova was in that race he just never was in contention in the video. Next time google something if your not sure before you show your stupidity.

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Background

Said Aouita was born on November 2, 1959 in Kenitra, a coastal Moroccan city. Nine years later, he moved along with his family to Fes due to the nature of his father's work. As a child he spent most of his time playing football and wanted to be a great footballer; however, his outstanding skills in running made his coaches foresee a great future in athletics.

Aouita was a versatile middle and long distance runner, excelling at distances between 800 and 10000 meters during the eighties. He raced and won against the Olympic champions Joaquim Cruz (800 m), Peter Rono (1500 m), John Ngugi (5000 m) and Alberto Cova (10000 m) over their respective main distances.

Well, let me consider the candidates:

Nurmi- who can forget that Nurmi won the Olympic title twice, and might have done it a third time, in 1924, if he was barred from doing so (to allow Ritola a chance to win). That year he set a world record in the event that would last 12 years- longer than any male 10000m WR has stood to date.

Zatopek: had an unbeaten streak of over 50 races and is the first under 29 minutes. He had two gold medals in the Olympics, and even was the first one to run 20,000 meters in under an hour in an era where only four men had run faster than 30 minutes.

Lasse Viren: epic victory in the Olympic games, in which he fell but still managed to pick himself up and win in a World record time. That should definitely be a performance to remember. He defended that title (plus the 5000m) title in Montreal.

Haile Gebreselassie: The strongman of the event, so dominant in the event with three world records, two Olympic Golds, and four World Championship golds. He and Tergat gave some great battles, also the Paris 10000m was very symbolic and memorable. We thought we'd never see the likes of Haile again...

Kenenisa Bekele: ... when we got a man who achieved nearly everything that Haile achieved in the 10000 meters. If Bekele wins a third Olympic gold medal in a row, then this contest is over. Otherwise, Haile and Kenenisa are the best two in terms of medals, records, and consistency.

This is a good thread to see the real idiots, who think drugs are the only way to succeed.

ShortLived wrote:Said Aouita could have ruled and destroyed all in the 10000m at the following 87 Worlds and 88 Olympics

i very much doubt aouita had any chance in the '88 10k

boutayeb ran ~27'23 ( then wr of 27'13 ) & was on wr pace for 9k in brutual heat, & only on last lap just "walked in" on the last stretch in celebrating

there is little doubt he was in wr shape that race & probably couda gone close to 27-flat on the circuit on a temperate day