Another What If wrote:
letsrun is stupd wrote: No. You've never seen me defending Armstrong and you never will.You might want to reconsider. I read a book (can't remember the title) that proclaims Lance is, was and has always been clean.
Good for you. Give me the name of the book, and I'll read it.
letsrun is stupd wrote:
You might want to reconsider. I read a book (can't remember the title) that proclaims Lance is, was and has always been clean.[/quote]
Good for you. Give me the name of the book, and I'll read it.[/quote]
Not unlike you regarding the mystery book you cited, I can't remember the title. As you'd know if you bothered to read the post.
News flash for you..... Viren didn't blood dope, he simply was in better shape and peaked better than everyone else. It happens.
Lasse was only concerned with the Olympics and tailored all his training toward being at his very best for those 2 weeks every 4 years, and he was successful at doing that.
Lasse Viren was one of the best peakers of all time not a cheater.
The sooner you realize that the better your life and your running will be.
Another What If wrote:
letsrun is stupd wrote:You might want to reconsider. I read a book (can't remember the title) that proclaims Lance is, was and has always been clean.
Good for you. Give me the name of the book, and I'll read it.[/quote]
Not unlike you regarding the mystery book you cited, I can't remember the title. As you'd know if you bothered to read the post.[/quote]
You really are an ass hold.
The Truth Be Told wrote:
News flash for you..... Viren didn't blood dope, he simply was in better shape and peaked better than everyone else. It happens.
Lasse was only concerned with the Olympics and tailored all his training toward being at his very best for those 2 weeks every 4 years, and he was successful at doing that.
Lasse Viren was one of the best peakers of all time not a cheater.
The sooner you realize that the better your life and your running will be.
Just like Ramzi BABY!!!!!!!
The Truth Be Told wrote:
Lasse Viren was one of the best peakers of all time not a cheater.
I don't know if he blood doped or not but he was not a cheater. It was not against the rules.
The Truth Be Told wrote:
News flash for you..... Lance Armstrong didn't dope, he simply was in better shape and peaked better than everyone else. It happens.
Armstrong was only concerned with the Tour de France and tailored all his training toward being at his very best for those 3 weeks every year, and he was successful at doing that.
Lance Armstrong was one of the best peakers of all time not a cheater.
The sooner you realize that the better your life and your running will be.
I agree.
letsrun is stupd wrote:You really are an ass hold.
Maybe. But my guess is that you're a wanker "hold" and "holding" it on a regular basis.
In the 1978 book "Lasse Viren Olympic Champion" by Antero Raevuori and Rolf Haikkola (Viren's coach), it is not addressed. Frank Shorter, in his 1984 book "Olympic Gold: A Runner’s Life and Times" talks about visiting Viren and running wiht him after the Olympics. As I recall, Shorter (who later led the charge against dopers) said it was his opinion Viren did not do anything illegit. But all you guys know better than Shorter right?
Better question: How would the americans fared in the marathon in 76' had the east german not been doped up?
Gold and bronze
pv runner wrote: But all you guys know better than Shorter right?
How is Shorter qualified to judge anything? He wasn't even perceptive enough to know Prefontaine shouldn't have been driving on one fateful night in particular.
1. What if Gammoudi hadn't been tripped in the 10,000?
2. What if Yifter had made it to the starting line of the 5,000 heats?
Both these would have seriously impacted Viren's races in Munich.
silly old fossil wrote:
1. What if Gammoudi hadn't been tripped in the 10,000?
2. What if Yifter had made it to the starting line of the 5,000 heats?
Both these would have seriously impacted Viren's races in Munich.
Why didn't Yifter make it to the starting lines?
a d2 runner dude wrote:
silly old fossil wrote:1. What if Gammoudi hadn't been tripped in the 10,000?
2. What if Yifter had made it to the starting line of the 5,000 heats?
Both these would have seriously impacted Viren's races in Munich.
Why didn't Yifter make it to the starting lines?
I've seen different explanations for that. One says that he went to the wrong gate, another says that he was in the bathroom.
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News flash for you..... Viren didn't blood dope, he simply was in better shape and peaked better than everyone else. It happens.
Lasse was only concerned with the Olympics and tailored all his training toward being at his very best for those 2 weeks every 4 years, and he was successful at doing that.
Lasse Viren was one of the best peakers of all time not a cheater.
The sooner you realize that the better your life and your running will be."
-hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! talk about a bunch of naive folks. though, i applaud you for it- a reindeer milk cheers to all you rosy colored eyeglass people...(incidentally transfusion of autologous centrifuged packed red blood cells was NOT illegal in 1972, though it is currently).
'And by the way, has there ever been a more gutless way to earn a bronze than the strategy used by Ian Stewart?'
Hr got dropped and then managed to pull back something in the sprint. He didn't intend to run like that - I heard he threw away his medal he was so pissed off to get bronze. In any cases most championship race are decided on a sprint
Gammoudi would have won without Viren -he won in 1968 the only non altitude born athlete to win a gold in male long distances in Mexico. He is one of the most underated runners and a master championship tactician
Would Pre have been considered a lesser runner if he had not died young?
In this interview Viren claims not to have doped:
Do you have a link to anything with him admitting blood packing?
RE: "I heard he threw away his medal he was so pissed off to get bronze."
He may have said that publically, but there is no way he tossed it.
RE: "In any cases most championship race are decided on a sprint"
Agreed. A sad but true reality.
RE: "Would Pre have been considered a lesser runner if he had not died young?"
No. In addition to being a star on the rise in terms of racing, he was also and huge advocate and activist for the financial rights of "amateur" T&F competitors. He is legitimately held in high regard....well, except for all the bonehead haters of all things Oregon.
"Do you have a link to anything with him admitting blood packing?"
-do you have a link to anywhere LA has admitted to blood doping? what about contador? did marion jones ever fail a drug test? gosh, none of us finns would ever think about doing anything illegal in terms of blood doping!
all our love,
martti and pekka
Well people were claiming he admitted to it. If he admitted to it there should be some proof somewhere.
If you were to tell me there was an interview where Lance admitted to doping I'd call you out on that, too, even though I think he doped.