I'm so sick and tired of Salazar's lies

prize money wrote:

Flagstaffer that likes Greg wrote:

You most certainly are not talking about the marathon?

I most certainly do not give a shit about the marathon.

It appears that Alberto is on the same page as you.

Salazar keep your mouth shut and stop setting up your athletes for failure.

Genetics talk is BS!

If Kenyans and Ethiopians can do it, anyone can!

It is time US runners look elsewhere for coaches, the idea of rotating among handful US coaches doesn't seem to work!

For instance, Ryan should look for a coach elsewhere!

Ask the Ethiopians and Kenyans about good coaches!

And one thing, US runners should stop expecting coaches to guarantee their winnings!

I wonder, don't American runners have Kenyan or Ethipian elite friends?

Ask these guys how they train!

Ask for their advices!

I think you are right here! Too much pre-race theatrics going on!!! All the running websites really do put the pressure on these guys to report on what they are doing from week to week, almost like parasites! This guys got a new baby as well - When is the last time any new dad got a full 8 hours of sleep? Could we just say here that maybe the marathon simply isn't Ritz's distance- that he is more of a 5k & 10k guy ? Trouble is, everybody is trying to be Haile rather than themselves. Does Solinsky need to step up to the marathon ? Why in the hell should he - just because we have some stupid need to see it? Ritz is is no way through yet but he damn sure looked tired and worn out.

FYI, today on WBUR's "On Point" program, the topic of perfecting running form will be discussed. The reference point will be the recent Salazar article taking about changing Ritz's form to a emulate Bekele.

I was just going to say that! Jerry! Now, there's a coach! And Jerry does not need to be a media whore--he just quietly and professionally goes to work coaching great runners.

TK1451 wrote:

prize money wrote:

And results of course. There are those. Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.

Ever hear of this one guy named Jerry Schumacher?

Kenyano wrote:

Marathon and training pace run are a totally different things!

Dathan might have run 4.51 mile for 20 miles under no pressure at all(That means no surging and other tactics)!

When it comes to a Marathon major, the surging comes to play!

Some miles are run deep under 4.51 while others might be a little comfy! Those who can cope with such changes prevail!

So what Salazaar need to do, is to train his guys to endure surges.

This can be easily done by using different guys at different miles to mess up with the continuous 4.51 mile pace.

Kenyans do a lot of surging during their training and we all know what fartlek means!

So with all said a 4.51 mile for 20 miles is not yet good enough for a full studded marathon major!

Agreed. If you're coaching someone to try to get on the podium at NYC, why wouldn't you do stuff like 10 miles at 5:00 pace, then you surprise your guy and tell him the next 2 miles need to be in 4:40, then back to 4:55, then another 4:40, etc. This happens every year at NYC, and every year some people seem surprised that there's a big push on First Avenue that breaks up the pack.

Where there is smoke wrote:

prize money wrote:

I most certainly do not give a shit about the marathon.

It appears that Alberto is on the same page as you.

No, my dim witted friend, it merely appears that Alberto's successes while awesome, are not yet as impressive in the marathon as they are in other distances. You be sure and let us know who's producing better so we can see what "page" we need to be on, mmmmmkay?

Simpleton wrote:

2:12 and 8th at NYC really isn't a bad result. Ritz is obviously a great runner and maybe it just wasn't his day.

The thing that bothered me about Ritz and Salazar was the pre race hype. You don't hear many of the international runners talking up their workouts before the race. Sure, some of Ritz' workouts sound impressive, but nobody was actually there to verify them, and they don't matter anyway. Also, I don't like to hear about all the pampering and drama. Flying to the coasts for tempo runs, cryosaunas, entering/dropping out of the Denver half...it's all a bit dramatic and self-absorbed, no? It seems very silly when compared against many of the east African training budgets.

Why not train under the radar, show up, and get the job done...and THEN talk?

I agree. Ritz probably could have run 2.09.30 in a faster race. But then he would still be 4 or 5 minutes behind the really fast guys.

Perhaps that 20m @ 4.51 is an exaggeration? Or maybe 20 miles at just over 5 minute miling and/or 24 at 5.15 would be better for him, since it is not pace that he lacks, but endurance?

prize money wrote:

You be sure and let us know who's producing better so we can see what "page" we need to be on, mmmmmkay?

Do you really want me to list the coaches that have produced a sub 2:11 marathoner?

Off the top of my head

Daniels, Hansons, Mcmillan

And all of these coaches have done it with guys that are 2 minutes slower than Alberto's athletes for a half marathon.

With faster half marathoners

Mahon, Larsen

say what son? wrote:

He has big talents in Rupp and Ritz but neither has lived up to the hype. You can't fully credit Salazar for Ritz's 5k and Half because most of the training he did for those was under Hudson.

Rupp hasn't lived up to the hype?

Patience, everyone. The marathon is a tough nut to crack. Dathan and Salazar are on everyone's sh*tlist right now, but they'll be heroes when Ritz pops a good one. Remember how he went from an injured persona non grata to a national hero after his 12:56 and bronze at the World Half Marathon Champs?

prize money wrote:

Nobody has produced better in American distance running over the past few years, Dathan's bad day aside.

BS.

Nobody has walked more trained thoroughbreds to the track, maybe.

But he has been responsible for NONE of their development. Ritz training alone those last few weeks could have gone under 13 after his prior preparation (he was only with Al for six weeks, remember), and frankly a letsrun message board should be able to take a 60:00 HM guy under 2: flipping :12 for the big one.

Where there is smoke wrote:

prize money wrote:

You be sure and let us know who's producing better so we can see what "page" we need to be on, mmmmmkay?

Do you really want me to list the coaches that have produced a sub 2:11 marathoner?

Off the top of my head

Daniels, Hansons, Mcmillan

And all of these coaches have done it with guys that are 2 minutes slower than Alberto's athletes for a half marathon.

With faster half marathoners

Mahon, Larsen

All of these guys have done WHAT exactly? What performances are you talking about that are better than what Salazar's been doing.

Daniels? Daniels?! Please tell us who Daniels is coaching right now who's doing better?

Hansons? They had a one guy who barely made the Olympic Marathon team. Wow. How's that working out for them lately.

McMillan? Please name who McMillan coaching.

Meanwhile Salazar has, over the past couple of years produced career best peformances out of Ritz, Solinsky and Rupp, Kara Goucher. A number of American records in there. The first American sub-27 minute 10k. The first American sub-13 minute 5k.

It's not even close.

I don't know squat about marathon results, but the sense I get is that each runner has one great marathon in him or her.

Is that true?

Each elite runner, that is.

prize money wrote:

Meanwhile Salazar has, over the past couple of years produced career best peformances out of Ritz, Solinsky and Rupp, Kara Goucher. A number of American records in there. The first American sub-27 minute 10k. The first American sub-13 minute 5k.

It's not even close.

Salazar is not Solinsky's coach. I believe Bob Kennedy may have something to say about being the first American sub-13 5k.

Apologize about the misstatement about the 5k, I should have said merely breaking Kennedy's record, not being the first American sub-5k. But I did (wrongly think he was coaching Solinsky so that takes away from my point somewhat.

Still, who is doing better right now?

Sprint Geezer wrote:

I don't know squat about marathon results, but the sense I get is that each runner has one great marathon in him or her.

Is that true?

I think Geb, Wanjiru, Lel, etc. have had more than one great marathon result.