not an 800m runner wrote:
I know little about 800m racing. Is it typical for a quality 800m race to have splits that are 3 seconds apart (49.0/52.11)?
I'm in the same boat, though from what I see this is the only race where positive splitting is the way to do it.
He will break 1:41. Breaking the record , he mentioned was the 1st step to running without the pressure of the world record. Now I can run faster.
+3 is probabaly overly aggressive, +2 is optimal, though Rudisha is obviously able to push that guideline.
oh please wrote:
not an 800m runner wrote:I know little about 800m racing. Is it typical for a quality 800m race to have splits that are 3 seconds apart (49.0/52.11)?
I'm in the same boat, though from what I see this is the only race where positive splitting is the way to do it.
Some comparisons on the lap times of Rudisha vs Kipketer:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/08/david-rudisha-14109-world-record.html
And some interesting thoughts on pacing and how 49s is about optimal for the first lap when attacking the WR. I believe Seb Coe did a 49.7s in his 1:41.73.
Arkansas wrote:
I think the comment comes from the fact that Leo BOMBS worse than any other elite athlete in the world at his level. I have never heard of 1:44/3:33 guys getting DFL and run 3:50 jogging it in so much. No question he is an animal -- but I think that's where the poster's comments were coming from.
You've never heard of 3:33/1:44 getting DFL and jogging to the finish? You don't really follow the sport then.
I'm actually amazed at how consistent Manzano is. Take out his races at Pre (due to severe allergy problems) and he looks even better.
1:45.17 PB (21) 2 el Hassan Tanger 18 Jul
1:45.41 6 DNG Stockholm 6 Aug
1500 m
3:41.51+i PB (46) 3 BIG Boston MA 6 Feb
3:49.16Ai 1 NC Albuquerque NM 28 Feb
3:36.74 1 High Perf Eagle Rock CA 22 May
3:33.92 3 adidas New York NY 12 Jun
3:39.88 1h1 NC Des Moines IA 25 Jun
3:50.91 2 NC Des Moines IA 27 Jun
3:33.51 SB (15) 3 Aviva Gateshead 10 Jul
3:42.93 13 Herc Monaco 22 Jul
3:36.46+ 4 Aviva London 14 Aug
One Mile
3:56.82i PB (11) 4 BIG Boston MA 6 Feb
4:06.51 11 Pre Eugene OR 3 Jul
3:50.64 PB (6) 3 Aviva London 14 Aug
Very disappointing race. You'd expect at least 14.7 after his
1.41.55. Hopefully Rieti will be better (with some help from
Italian officials...)
You cannot positive split this race and beat someone like Rudisha, this isn't highschool anymore.
The half Marathon is another race where the world record has positive splits rather than negative.
meant 1.40.7
Boooooooom wrote:
http://www.istaf.de/results2010de/re0110040.html1 RUDISHA, David Lekuta
KEN
WR 1:41.09
2 LALANG, Boaz Kiplagat
KEN
If you insist on posting results, at least fix the formatting.
1 1:41.09 David Lekuta Rudisha [KEN]
2 1:44.34 Boaz Kiplagat Lalang [KEN]
3 1:44.49 Abraham Kiplagat [KEN]
4 1:44.56 Leonel Manzano [USA]
5 1:44.91 Jackson Mumbwa Kivuva [KEN]
6 1:45.07 Adam Kszczot [POL]
7 1:45.28 Belal Mansoor Ali [BRN]
8 1:45.97 David Mutinda Mutua [KEN]
9 1:46.84 Alfred Kirwa Yego [KEN]
10 1:47.83 Ludolph Sören [GER]
I want to watch this race for Leo's mechanics versus Rudisha's WR - I pretty much expected that out of David. Is Leo the shortest sub 1:44.5 guy ever? What's his 400m PR?
You really find this list of times to be amazingly consistent? I think this is anywhere from par for the course to slightly inconsistent for a top-flight runner.
Also, I am speaking from a purely anecdotal standpoint but I have always been 'aware' of Manzano as a guy who throws random 3:50 1500s in there and then comes back with a 3:3x the next week. This has been happening for years.
Either myself and other posters have all noticed the same 'erroneous' trend or there is something to be said for this observation.
I don't think anybody is lambasting him... this is more of an idiosyncratic thing.
WOW! WOW! WOW!
????????? wrote:
Either myself and other posters have all noticed the same 'erroneous' trend or there is something to be said for this observation.
Happens quite often here. Nothing new.
rudisha is something else and this was a tough world record to break, formerly six tenths clear of anyone else and few even run sub 1:44 over the past few years. he will break 1:41 and may very well scare 1:40 by London 2012.
manzano may have a 3:30 in him now in the right conditions, as he's run approximately the same 800 as Wheating, although the latter surely could have dipped well below 1:44 in this race if he went out strong. manzano does shock you with the occasional bad performances, but as he indicated it might just be the allergies. I read him as always having strong finishing speed and so don't find the faster 800s from him that surprising. Putting this in order and skipping the slow championship races, we see a good one in New York, a terrible one for him in Pre after the US champs, another good one in Gateshead the next week, a bad one for him in Monaco (allergies again, I think), and then three strong races in a row for him. Compare with Wheating, Lagat, Rupp, Solinsky, etc., and you will never see what compares to the occasional 406 or outdoor 3:42, where they are way off their pr's (credit the allergies).
3:33.92 3 adidas New York NY 12 Jun
4:06.51 11 Pre Eugene OR 3 Jul
3:33.51 SB (15) 3 Aviva Gateshead 10 Jul
3:42.93 13 Herc Monaco 22 Jul
1:45.41 Aug 6
3:50.64 PB (6) 3 Aviva London 14 Aug
1:44.5 Aug 22
David Rudisha, IAAF Best Athlete of 2010!!!
deanouk wrote:
I'd say Kipketer's 1:41.24 in Zurich 11 days earlier is still intrinsically better than Rudisha's run today. He went 48.4!! 1:14.2 that day. Far too quick on first lap
You don't understand what 'intrinsically' means do you?
anyone else wary of steroid and PED use? Its the world we live in that every time an athlete breaks A record I think of that first
The thing about Leo's "inconsistency" is not that he has bad races -- it's that they are so bad. You can chalk up allergies to Eugene, but not every bad race. It's not true that it's routine for top runners to have the occasional DFL. Does Lagat ever have a DFL? I can't remember one.
kanny wrote:
I want to watch this race for Leo's mechanics versus Rudisha's
You'll see Rudisha run ~ 180 spm for much of the race, while I am sure Manzano will be doing above 220.
(just goes to show that whether you have short little strides, or long powerful ones, you can run fast either way. Of course this time long and powerful wins by a lot)
malmo wrote:
????????? wrote:Either myself and other posters have all noticed the same 'erroneous' trend or there is something to be said for this observation.
Happens quite often here. Nothing new.
This is true: erroneous trends are noted on here quite often.
(this explains how a supposed "consistent 3rd-6th place finisher" in 5k's can win the diamond league title in his event. Whacky scoring system they must have for that to happen, huh?)