American Record for 3000 this weekend a possibility???

MarathonMind wrote:

Amazingly, Geb's 3:31.76 was set indoors, and he's second all time on the indoor list after ElG.

And yes, I think Lagat is not clean.

Sometimes I forget why Geb is still considered the Great one over Bekele, and then I see something like above and remember what he's done in the marathon. Amazing range, crazy.

If I were Lagat, I wouldn't want a marathoner having a better PB than me at 3000, and especially at 1500 indoors or out!

The Waterboy wrote:

Is there ever any way to find out how fast the pace setters are going to go? If they go out in 5 minutes or under, the american record will surely fall.

It's very reasonable to think Lagat is gunning for the AR this weekend. He knows his 1500 bests are behind him and his thirty-friggin-five. But he's done well at 1500 this summer and managed 12:54. It's kind of now or never, and I can't believe that he would not care about getting that record.

If I were Lagat I'd offer up an additional $2,000 if the pacer can go thru 5:00, another $2,000 if the rabbit can carry to 5200 at 5:30 and another $1,500 if he breaks the AR. Something like this. Is El G still running a bit? Those two are buds!

Rupp is fit enough for a scare as well. Could this be the 3rd race this year where Rupp breaks an AR but doesn't actually have it?

Billy Madison wrote:If I were Lagat I'd offer up an additional $2,000 if the pacer can go thru 5:00, another $2,000 if the rabbit can carry to 5200 at 5:30 and another $1,500 if he breaks the AR. Something like this. Is El G still running a bit? Those two are buds!

Billy, i think you failed 3rd grade!

Hopefully Galen Rupp is eager to run fast especially after falling in Stockholm and missing 13:00. That way if it slows down in the last 1000m, he will go to the front and pick it up like he did in the 10000m in Stanford.

missed the boat wrote:

Keep in mind that Lagat did a workout this summer in Arizona that started with at 4:58 2000 and he only had Rupp to help with part of it, not a pack of some of fastest runners in history. I believe he came thru in 3:59 and ran a :59. Not a shabby way to start a workout on a slow ass track in the heat.

I'm pretty sure that TT 2k was the entire workout for Lagat.

yyy wrote:

epo

wait, was he busted or u just saying what many were thinkin?

Not busted but quite suspicious. The main suspicions seemed to come from his nationality, but he strung together many years of performances far below that mark and suddenly became fast last winter.

Rupp's not running under 7:30 at this point.

Lagat hasn't been at his best recently. His 5000 record was a couple of months ago.

I don't think he'll run sub 7:30.

Lagat posted on his twitter that he had a "very hard track session" on 8/7. So it doesn't look likely that he's going for it in London. More likely, he's setting up a major effort in Zurich or Brussels.

trying

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

for bernie's current 3'32 / 12'54 ->7'27.3

now, his 1500 was just about his limit with near perfect wabbiting, so you can't really claim anything faster ( albeit i'm sure he woud say he was good for 3'31 )

his 12'54 was definitely worth quicker as there were some slack kilos thrown in - definitely close to 12'50, which with 3'32 ->7'25.9

the other way to skin this cat is to look at his 7'32i from '07

i've seen 101/102 bandied about as the conversion factor ->

7'27.6 back then

perfect race currently & he woud go well below 7'30

Mrr82 wrote:

MarathonMind wrote:

I find it incredible that Lagat is running these 3000 PRs at age 35. I mean I just looked at the top guys-

Komen, age 20

El G, 25

Geb, 25

Morceli, 24

Bekele, 25.

It just doesn't look right for Lagat to be able to do this- he also ran a slight PR last year at 34.

While i 100% believe Lagat is a cheater and a liar....it's not hard to believe he's running prs in the events he's doing so

Having known Kip and his family for years, I can assure you that you couldn't be more mistaken.

i won't wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

While i 100% believe Lagat is a cheater and a liar....it's not hard to believe he's running prs in the events he's doing so

Having known Kip and his family for years, I can assure you that you couldn't be more mistaken.

As far as the liar part, it doesn't matter how long you've known him, that's just a historical fact about the running under a false flag in 2004 Olympics. Everyone knows he what he did, and that the powers that be are "too PC" (read: racist) to ever enforce the rules about it. If a white, Asian, or non-illegal alien Latino did that then the rules would be enforced. Yet, these open double standards exist, which doesn't exact assure anyone that, even if the IAAF caught him using drugs, they wouldn't tamper with the B sample to get him off.

mskskjdh wrote:that's just a historical fact about the running under a false flag in 2004 Olympics

seeing how kenya shafted kip in '96 when they woudn't expedite his full transfer to danish citizenship & thus kept him out of atlanta, i woud suggest bernie had no choice

[quote]Texas Tooter wrote:

"...since all they do for training is drink guinees, eat potatoes and paint with the color green.

You forgot to add that they learn to spell correctly. Where do I sign up?

mskskjdh wrote:

i won't wrote:

Having known Kip and his family for years, I can assure you that you couldn't be more mistaken.

As far as the liar part, it doesn't matter how long you've known him, that's just a historical fact about the running under a false flag in 2004 Olympics. Everyone knows he what he did, and that the powers that be are "too PC" (read: racist) to ever enforce the rules about it. If a white, Asian, or non-illegal alien Latino did that then the rules would be enforced. Yet, these open double standards exist, which doesn't exact assure anyone that, even if the IAAF caught him using drugs, they wouldn't tamper with the B sample to get him off.

It's up to Kenya to revoke his citizenship. It's up to Athletics Kenya and the Kenyan Olympic Committee to rescind his results from the 2004 Olympics if they wish to. They did not. If you disagree with their decision, you can take it up with them. They're headquartered in in the Riadha House, opposite Nyayo National Stadium in Nairbobi.

The idea that the IAAF would tamper with a sample to exonerate a Kenyan national, while major American and European stars are convicted of doping, is absurd. Aren't East Africans supposedly suffocating any and all interest in distance running in Europe? If anything, the IAAF would want to knock off all the major East African distance runners. Then they wouldn't have so much of a problem finding cities and federations to bid for World Cross Country, as well as the TV rights.

7.5 = AR wrote:

MarathonMind wrote:

Amazingly, Geb's 3:31.76 was set indoors, and he's second all time on the indoor list after ElG.

And yes, I think Lagat is not clean.

Sometimes I forget why Geb is still considered the Great one over Bekele, and then I see something like above and remember what he's done in the marathon. Amazing range, crazy.

If I were Lagat, I wouldn't want a marathoner having a better PB than me at 3000, and especially at 1500 indoors or out!

I'd rather have eight zillion cross golds than a 3:31.76 loss..

that 3'31.76 was a win

ventolin^3 wrote:

trying

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

for bernie's current 3'32 / 12'54 ->7'27.3

now, his 1500 was just about his limit with near perfect wabbiting, so you can't really claim anything faster ( albeit i'm sure he woud say he was good for 3'31 )

his 12'54 was definitely worth quicker as there were some slack kilos thrown in - definitely close to 12'50, which with 3'32 ->7'25.9

the other way to skin this cat is to look at his 7'32i from '07

i've seen 101/102 bandied about as the conversion factor ->

7'27.6 back then

perfect race currently & he woud go well below 7'30

You're pretty much on the money Ventolin. Lagat himself believes he can run something like 7:27 in Berlin if the weather good and pacing decent.....

anyone know what time this will be (west coast usa)? anyone have a link yet to the video?

haha1231 wrote:

your dumb

This slays me every time. Priceless.

MarathonMind wrote:

I find it incredible that Lagat is running these 3000 PRs at age 35. I mean I just looked at the top guys-

Komen, age 20

El G, 25

Geb, 25

Morceli, 24

Bekele, 25.

It just doesn't look right for Lagat to be able to do this- he also ran a slight PR last year at 34.

Lagat ran his 3:26 at age 26. The longer distance PRs are not close to equivalent.