Solinsky has run 26:59, 12:56 and 12:55 and has yet to win a US title - and he may never!!!

US Champs wrote:

Because he might not want to be the American record holder who can't win a US title in the event, that is precisely the point and don't be surprised at all if he does not run the 10,000.

That said, if there is another good 10,000 at cardinal next year he may not be the record holder at USA's.

Which is precisely the reason to be in the 10000, given that on one (except Bekele) has yet shown the ability to beat Lagat in a race he wants to win. And Lagat is clearly going after the 5000 WC.

In the 10000, Solinsky, Ritz, and Rupp are head and shoulders above everybody else--so far. But if they get into a hard race to win (although I think Salazar and Jerry are too smart for that) it could kill all of their chances in Deagu. Look up how many 10000s Bekele ran before Berln or Beijing.

US Champs wrote:

Unless you are saying you think hands down he is going to win the US 5000 next summer, then I think you are agreeing with my point. .

I wasn't agreeing with anything you said. I was calling you an idiot. My post was only about you (the idiot) saying Teg had better 1500/3k speed. there's nothing to prove that other than Solinsky's 3 year old prs. There's little that leans toward Teg having better 1500/3k speed at his best than Chris does now. Comparing times from years ago when Chris was 17 seconds slower in the 5k, is just plain stupid.

Mrr82 wrote:

US Champs wrote:

Unless you are saying you think hands down he is going to win the US 5000 next summer, then I think you are agreeing with my point. .

I wasn't agreeing with anything you said.

So you do think he is hands down going to win. Fair enough.

In case you don't know Chris has run 7:36 and has beat Teg at 3000 or 2 miles, so it's not like he just appeared as a brand new runner, he is just racing to his ability for the first time in europe. He has beat Teg, has a 3K pr just shy of Tegs for a while now but has not been able to beat him at a U.S. champ/Olympic trials. I'll say this again, Chris was on sub 13 pace with a lap to go before and locked up on the last lap. Part of that was physical, part was mental, but he was certainly at 13:05 or better guy that day, just didn't put it together. He knows that.

In a 13:25 race (last years USA's) that kicks down to 13:20, far off what they are both capable of, speed matters. If they are no where near anaerobic coming into the kick, speed matters. Unless Chris wants to take it by the horns and drive it hard early (not his style) it will come down to a kick of 13:1x-13:2x pace with a handful of guys still not anaerobic.

Fair points, but hopefully he tries another one before that. The 10K can go wrong in a big way and it's easy to lose heart with 2K or 3K to go when your having an off day and Bekele and Co are running 13:0X or better for the 2nd half. He has not experienced that yet. The 5K, 99% chance he'll be in it at least until 1200 to and that's close enough to gut it home for only about 3 minutes of misery.

If he runs another one, and it's even nearly as successful as his debut then he should strongly consider it. If it ends up a 27:15 in a 26:55 race he should rethink. You can't be misled by 10,000 times this year, the best guys simply didn't race one. There are at least 5-10 E. Africans who can run 26:55 or better right now, though some of them will choose to do the marathon in 2012.

US Champ wrote:So you do think he is hands down going to win. Fair enough.

In case you don't know Chris has run 7:36 and has beat Teg at 3000 or 2 miles, so it's not like he just appeared as a brand new runner, he is just racing to his ability for the first time in europe.

Are you mentally retarded? It's like you're unable to process anything correctly. I'm sorry for calling you an idiot, i didn't realize you were special needs.

Crap Crap And More Crap ! Solinski will win a US championship !

US Champs wrote:

Two points:

1) It's just awesome that a 12:55/26:59 american runner hasn't even won a single US title. Not awesome for him, but awesome for what it means abou the depth of US running. And what makes it more awesome, is that at his specialty there is not one or two guys who could keep him from doing it, but a handful.

2) The second part of your statement is certainly not a consensus shared by everyone on here. There is an element on here that always believe the guy with the current hot streak is guaranteed to rule the roost for eternity, so that thought is worth exposing and discussing.

Two replies:

1) He wasn't a 12:55/26:59 runner until what, two months ago? Has it even been that long? Before his pr was something like ~13:10 and he had never run a 10k. There was serious talk of him moving to the steeple because the overwhelming consensus was that he was outmatched at 5k. 10k wasn't even on ANYONE'S radar. Chris Solinsky wasn't a sub-13/sub-27 guy when he was busy not winning championships - he was a 13:10-13:20 guy at the time. He's a totally different runner now, and I don't mean any implications towards PED usage when I say that. If he goes 5 more years without winning something then it will be fair to say that he's a 12:5x/26:5x guy who has yet to win, but right now the only fair way to look at it is that before this year he was a 13:1x guy who failed to win (and was never really expected to), and now he's a 12:5x guy who hasn't had a chance to win yet. The fact that you're incapable of making that distinction is disturbing.

2) Find me someone on here who believes that Chris Solinsky is literally guaranteed to win a championship. You'll find alot of people who find it highly likely, but no one who thinks it's literally a 100% lock. What you're arguing is neither interesting, nor is it intelligent. You're just saying "He's good but hey, he still might not win, because there's these other guys that are good too" which is just so obvious that there's nothing interesting about it. NO ONE is guaranteed a championship ever. To revive a phrase from elementary school, "No shit, Sherlock". You're just making the most basic claim that's so obviously true and acting like it's some profound insight. If you want to put out a thought-provoking idea instead of this drivel let us know which of those runners you think have a good chance of winning more US championships than Solinsky by 2020.

Solinsky is the fastest white person ever for the 5k, right? he beat Mottram's record?

I've seen this twice now...chris was carried off the track in a stretcher because he passed out in the heat. Get your facts straight then come back.

US Champs wrote:

From Chris's bio:

2004: dnf at NCAA Outdoors…best of 13:42.44.

(That might shock some of the recent Rupp bashers)

To your first point. He was certainly on some peoples radar. Many of us were wondering why he could only come up with 13:12 when he clearly appeared to be ready for closer to 13 minutes. Especially after a race like this:

You may be getting a bit emotional by your tone so it may not be worth discussing further with you, but Solinsky ran 13:12 and 7:36 his first summer out of college, in 2007. If you think he just showed up as a brand new runner 3 seasons later you would have to ask how is that possible? Drugs? Neither you or I believe that so what is it? It's similar to Rupp. Rupp was clearly ready to run near 13:00 and 27:00 last year, but due to a very busy NCAA season and trying to rest and re-peak for worlds there was no opportunity. Now he has those chances and we're seeing how fast he truly is. For Solinsky the opportunities were there but it came down to mentality. A combination of intimidation and wanting it too bad kept him from doing what he was physically ready to. If you watched he and Teg in a race, Solinsky was always to engaged mentally too early and it nearly always stung him at the end.

The 10K debut might well have been what he needed to unlock it. No expecations, just relax and go with it. Once accomplished he's raced as he should for 5000. This is not unusual for runners in a slump. Happened for Ritz last year and will likely happen for Webb. Sometimes the best way to get out of a slump is to change something or run a different event.

As to your second point, yes there are some on this board who will guarantee that he will, or whoever else looks hot for the week/month/summer.

coach bigfoot wrote:

I've seen this twice now...chris was carried off the track in a stretcher because he passed out in the heat. Get your facts straight then come back.

US Champs wrote:

From Chris's bio:

2004: dnf at NCAA Outdoors…best of 13:42.44.

(That might shock some of the recent Rupp bashers)

Which facts are incorrect?

Really good arguments all around. By the time Lagat fades out, German, Jager, and Chris Derrick will be right there. And then there is the possibility of another potential American in Sammy Chelanga who would make things more difficult. Those three have all shown more potential than Solinsky (but as we know talent doesn't always transfer to performance).

The good news for us Solinsky fans is that if Chris is getting beat and he's running low 12:50s that means we have some real contenders internationally. Also it will push Chris more, because he is very competitive and a true champ.

Who gives a sh*t? 26:59 baby!

dagda16 wrote:

Solinsky is the fastest white person ever for the 5k, right? he beat Mottram's record?

Dieter "toothpaste" Baumann. 12,54.

Chris Solinsky wrote:

Who gives a sh*t? 26:59 baby!

An amazing feat. First to break a racial barrier (sarcasm), but any runner from anywhere would be excited the first time the broke it. Especially on a debut.

That said, ask any runner and they will tell you that hardware is more important than records which will always be broken.

Solinsky will not want retire without a US title. In fact with 12:55 and 26:59, it would probably be bitter to retire without. Obviously it would be easier to swallow if the guys who keep you from a title are running the same times and at 12:54, 12:56, 12:58 and Rupp likely to sneak in there, they really are for 5000. For 10000 it's simply a matter of opportunity for Ritz and Rupp to run 26:5X.

That said, you know Solinsky is not thinking "Who gives a s@#%, 26:59 baby" He's thinking he wants his US title.

US Champ wrote:

coach bigfoot wrote:

I've seen this twice now...chris was carried off the track in a stretcher because he passed out in the heat. Get your facts straight then come back.

Which facts are incorrect?

You're insinuating that this DNF was for the same reasons as Rupp's. Would you say Ryan Shay's DNF is just a regular DNF?

coach bigfoot wrote:

US Champ wrote:

Which facts are incorrect?

You're insinuating that this DNF was for the same reasons as Rupp's. Would you say Ryan Shay's DNF is just a regular DNF?

I think your emotional attachment to said athlete has got you expecting that. What I listed was from his bio from his freshman year listing best 5000 time and ncaa result in comparison to Fernandez, since someone questioned the relevance of Fernandez being mentioned as a possible threat to the 5000 US title in the next couple years.

As a sidenote I mentioned the DNF as something for the Rupp bashers to chew on, since some of them mentioned that a runner should NEVER EVER DNF. That is a stupid statement as we both know. For various reasons a runner may not finish a race and it doesn't have to be limited to heat stroke. For example:

"downin and dennis 5:36 beer mile!!!!...bairu and solinsky DNF"

Mark Nenow had one of the fastest 10,000 meter times in his era and I believe never made a world or Olympic team. At least he would occasionally win a Euro meet. Has Solinski ever even finished top three in a Euro meet?

And:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3200200

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