The cash comes AFTER they get the attention of agents and sponsors. World Junior Champion is the shortest link in the chain.
How much cash to they earn from World Juniors?
This is nothing to do with the athletes, this is all about national pride and dominating rivals.
Just cynical cheating really. You can almost understand it if there was big money involved.[/quote]
RRRR wrote:
Bump...I am so tired of these things coming to light, and nothing being done about them.
Have a nap.
think fast wrote:
The cash comes AFTER they get the attention of agents and sponsors. World Junior Champion is the shortest link in the chain.
Maybe. But that's not why they're running in these events in their mid 20s.
They're doing it because their federations are putting them in there.
trollism wrote:
think fast wrote:The cash comes AFTER they get the attention of agents and sponsors. World Junior Champion is the shortest link in the chain.
Maybe. But that's not why they're running in these events in their mid 20s.
They're doing it because their federations are putting them in there.
And not one of them has the guts to stand up and say "this is wrong, I'm not 19 years old"? Get out of here, the athletes are in on it too.
There is a loophole in the kenyan system.It doesnt matter whether you have evidence or not because if the athlete has evidence i.e bisrth certificate and passport showing his/her age of birth is what he/she claims then he wins.We all know how corrupt the interior ministry and goverment officials are.In kenya if you know the right people you can get a genuine original passport made for you in an hour while you wait.It will have your desired date of birth and any oher information.
You could get in touch with the Nike people, who I'm sure still have some records/paperwork from the 06 race on the individuals who competed and then compare those to the paperwork submitted to IAAF. USATF would have to file a protest in order to get access to the paperwork in an arbitration hearing (if it ever got that far) but that seems like the most likely way to get anything going on this.
trackstarpeter856433 wrote:
I think I discovered something in the recently run junior men's 10k. When looking through the pictures and results I noticed the third place finisher
3 566 Paul Klpthumba LONYANGATA KEN 12 DEC 92 28:14.55 P8. I also saw the pictures of him found here at this link
http://www.letsrun.com/photos/2010/juniors0720pm/imagepages/image1.phpand new I recognized paul lonyangata. I raced Nike Team Nationals in 2006 in the open race against the kenyans. My name is Peter and I ran for tbird xc club. I remember racing Paul who was then said to be a 16 year old at the time...here's a link from dyestat.com about the article, results, and a picture of paul lonyangata.
http://archive.dyestat.com//?pg=us2006NikeTeamNationalsKenyanarticleThe caption below says paul is 16 years old and trying to earn a qualifying birth in the 2007 cross country world championships. And if you look at the results from this years world junior championships it says his birthday is december of 92, which means he would only be 17 years old, going on 18. There's a flaw there. That would make him 14 in 2006 wouldn't it and not 16? So does this mean that paul is really 19 or even 20 depending on the correct month of his birth? I guess if his birthday truly is december of 92 then he does qualify to be eligible, but if not then he's not eligible. Here's the site for qualifying procedures due to age...
http://www.usatf.org/events/2010/IAAFWorldJuniorChampionships/athleteInfo/selectionProcedures.aspEither way he's still lying about his age which seems really fishy to me. Not sure if dyestat messed up on their research or if he did lie about his age but I noticed this and thought I should let you know. Below is the link to the article about parker stinson and the world junior 10k.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/2010/stinson0721.php#ixzz0uMLBzkhq
10/10. Great stuff. These cheats are unacceptable.
Coach Ed wrote:
You could get in touch with the Nike people, who I'm sure still have some records/paperwork from the 06 race on the individuals who competed and then compare those to the paperwork submitted to IAAF. USATF would have to file a protest in order to get access to the paperwork in an arbitration hearing (if it ever got that far) but that seems like the most likely way to get anything going on this.
The fact he raced in America would mean that he has already obtained a passport. So he either changed his passport or his date of birth in 2006 remains.
It is not very hard to arrange new birth certificates ( arranged at the local post offices) but it is impossible to change passports unless you have a name change. This name change would have shown up on his iaaf bio.
I do not think any of the male Kenyan athletes are the right age. 1500m runner looks 30 and the steeple chasers today will make me laugh.
another bunch of sour kids
salop wrote:
another bunch of sour kids
Better to be a sour kid than a clueless apologist.
Agreed. This has nothing to do with being angry about racing against someone faster. It is about racing against people that are clearly older. What would happen if we were sending guys 20 and 21 years old to thse competitions? People would be outraged...so please spare the double standard here, especially since the officials in these countries are not clueless.
I can see it now.
Andrew Wheating, 1991.
Categories such as age brackets and gender do seem to be something difficult to grasp on the continent of Africa.
trollism wrote:
Last Lap wrote:Where is the pleasure in ensuring a good livelihood at an early age for you and your family? This is the Dark Side of the famed "motivation edge" that Africans enjoy.
How much cash to they earn from World Juniors?
This is nothing to do with the athletes, this is all about national pride and dominating rivals.
Just cynical cheating really. You can almost understand it if there was big money involved.
There is a cachet related to being the World Junior Champ which translates to $$$ with agents and meet promoters
team usa should be upset for parker but why isnt canada doing anything? mohammed is 4th and would get to be a medalist if they got ride of this cheater.
It's almost every event. Been going on for decades. There's another thread here regarding the winner of the 1500. Have a look at him, he's mid 20's if he's a day: http://www.iaaf.org/mm/photo/competitions/competition/05/76/52/57652%5ffull-prt.jpg
Also, if you look down at the bottom of the page of the article from dyestat...http://archive.dyestat.com//?pg=us2006NikeTeamNationalsKenyanarticle It said he ran 13:52 for 5000m on the track. If he truly is born in dec. of 92 he would have ran 13:52 as a 13 year old? psssh..i highly doubt that. As a 16 year old that makes a little more sense, but is still blazing. I\'m guessing this kid is a lying about his age and should be DQ from the world junior 10k.
Going by the 13.52, he was probably lying about his age when he was 'sixteen' in 2006 too.
The guy is probably 25 now.
Kenya has an inordinate amout of athletes born in December on their roster for the IAAF World Junior Champs. Basically 90% of their roster was born in December.
Hello, I am Kenyan junior champion John Kipkurgat Kipkeinobekele (in translation: He-Who-Was-Born-When-The-Dog-Pissed-On-The-Hut). I was entrusted by the Kenyan Athletic Federation to apologize to all mzungus for our terrible mistakes, as for the ages of our junior champions.
I myself must apologize, too. I was actually born in the same year, when a big tree flushed from the ground near our hut. Yesterday we cut that tree down and counted its year rings. I counted 37, my mum 36, my dad 39. Anyway, it seems that I am past a junior age, really. To me it is a big surprise, because I left elementary school only 2 years ago. But that is how things go in Kenya. I am sorry.
