Wheating in the Big Boys mile at Pre

More like a big dog - Hooch?http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/updates/24971566-55/mile-wheating-field-bowerman-classic.csp

keepitup wrote:

Hopefully he's just an unnamed rabbit getting a pay day.

it'll be considered a win if he doesnt come last

I think Wheating has/will shortly turn pro, and will head to Europe for his baptism. Then with that experience and a year of base building, he will likely return to the pro circuit next year to try to make some money and prepare himself for the 2012 Olympics. The prize is two years away.

If he runs 3:51 and is in last, it's still a great day. 3:52, damn good. 3:53, PR but not fantastic. 3:54, motivation to get real.

I see him eating up at least a couple guys who fall off.

Wheating first ran track as a senior in high school. He had no team and got his workouts from a coach he rarely saw (different town) and completed them alone. He ran a 400 against a 400 specialist (1st or 2nd from the state meet the year before) and beat him to start his season.

He ran 3:53 (roughly 4:10 for the mile)

After one track season went to Oregon and managed 3:47 or 3:48 as a frosh, getting his butt kicked and thinking about quitting (like Chad Hall).

Sticks it out and indoors as a sophomore (2nd full year of running) splits a 1:50 with ONE FRIGGIN SHOE on, in the winter.

Goes on to break 4, run away in 3:38 with a :26 last 200, narrowly lose NCAA 800 (lost bye 100ths of a second) and then run 1:45.0 and go to the olympics. IN HIS 3rd ever track season, after 2 full years of running.

Next years marks are roughly the same (save the 1:45.0) and most races are won, with a couple losses by tenths of seconds, during which he has a couple injuries (two stress fractures and a muscle tear) and mono.

As a senior runs a pair of 3:37's and destroys a truck load of 1:45 and 1:46 runners at NCAA's and then comes back and beats a boat load of 3:36-3:39 1500 runners. A double not won in 25 years. Ohh, and there was a little pressure on him to do that, especially the winning the 800 part.

Now the next chapter begins.

Three years ago, Manzano ran 3:35 as a Junior, then 3:36 as a Senior. Now he's at 3:33 trying to get to 3:32 this year, and perhaps a medal shot in the next two years.

Wheating isn't at the same level at the same age, nor was he at the same level Andrews is now at the same age.

whatcha watchin wrote:

If he runs 3:51 and is in last, it's still a great day. 3:52, damn good. 3:53, PR but not fantastic. 3:54, motivation to get real.

I see him eating up at least a couple guys who fall off.

Well if he runs faster than 3:54.6, he beats Prefontaine's best mile time from 1973.

If he runs faster than 3:53.00, he is ahead of the school record holder Joaquim Cruz's 1984 time.

When does the Movie come out? ;-)

I am confused. Who are you talking about? Elkanah Angwenyi?2005 Prefontaine Classic Mile 1 Alex Kipchirchir Kenya 3:50.91 2 Rachid Ramzi Bahrain 3:51.33 3 Bernard Lagat USA 3:51.53 4 Elkanah Angwenyi Kenya 3:53.05 5 Rob Myers USA 3:54.87 6 Kevin Sullivan Canada 3:56.41 7 Charlie Gruber USA 3:56.92 8 Scott McGowan USA 3:57.21 9 Adam Goucher USA 3:57.23 10 Paul Korir Kenya 3:59.86 11 Bernard Kitpum Kenya 4:00.34 12 Tom Brooks USA 4:00.55 13 Mike McGrath USA 4:01.37 14 James Thie Great Britain 4:03.50 Laban Rotich Kenya DNF Simon Kimata Kenya DNF

bharv wrote:

Remember when a guy who had a mile/1500 pb MUCH slower than andy wheating ran this race back in 2005?

He only ran 3:53 and almost ran down lagat...and was only some 3+ seconds from the win...his name was...alan webb

Wheating has run 1:45 and 3:37...why the hell can't he run 3:50?

Coach D wrote:

Three years ago, Manzano ran 3:35 as a Junior, then 3:36 as a Senior. Now he's at 3:33 trying to get to 3:32 this year, and perhaps a medal shot in the next two years.

Wheating isn't at the same level at the same age, nor was he at the same level Andrews is now at the same age.

Saw Manzano this morning running by Hayward Field. He appeared quick silver fast. I'm a huge Wheating fan, but I don't see him beating Manzano on Saturday. Now as for the future...

im sayin 353. not to bad for a debut as a pro

I think he might win. Pro races that are packed with the best runners in the world often turn into tactical affairs. They let him in this race where he can kick the last 200 meters, look out!

Coach D wrote:

Three years ago, Manzano ran 3:35 as a Junior, then 3:36 as a Senior. Now he's at 3:33 trying to get to 3:32 this year, and perhaps a medal shot in the next two years.

Wheating isn't at the same level at the same age, nor was he at the same level Andrews is now at the same age.

Show me where manzano pulled off a an 800/1500 double victory at NCAAs. Ring me when Andrews does.

The list of sub 3:40 guys and 1:46 or better guys at NCAA's this year was INSANE. Wheating was the only one doubling, he beat them all.

Tell men Wheating was required to run faster than his PRs for 1500 or the mile?

In other words the only race at 1500 or mile that wheating has lost in the past 3 years was the sit and kick Pac-10 1500 last year. He lost bye tenths of a second to a 3:36 guy and a 3:56 guy because in saving some energy for his 800 final (less than 2 hours later) he waited too long to kick. That is the only race he has lost at 1500 or mile, and he was blowing by them thru the line.

You are judging his PRs based on what has been required for him to win (in most case crush) his field of competitiors? You are a damned fool my friend, but you've proved that repeatedly.

Coach D wrote:

Three years ago, Manzano ran 3:35 as a Junior, then 3:36 as a Senior. Now he's at 3:33 trying to get to 3:32 this year, and perhaps a medal shot in the next two years.

Wheating isn't at the same level at the same age, nor was he at the same level Andrews is now at the same age.

Additionally, Andrews and Manzano were already studs in high school when Wheating wasn't even a runner. Having said that, Manzano failed to make an international team while a collegiate underclassmen, Wheating made the most important team of all. If Andrews makes the world team next year (BIG IF) then he will have approached what Wheating did as a sophomore (though the olympic team is always tougher to make) despite having a two or three year jumpstart on training and racing.

Not bashing andrews or manzano, just setting you straight.

Coach D wrote:

Three years ago, Manzano ran 3:35 as a Junior, then 3:36 as a Senior. Now he's at 3:33 trying to get to 3:32 this year, and perhaps a medal shot in the next two years.

Wheating isn't at the same level at the same age, nor was he at the same level Andrews is now at the same age.

I think you're forgettin somethin:

and

Hoping ForAwesomeness wrote:

I think he might win. Pro races that are packed with the best runners in the world often turn into tactical affairs. They let him in this race where he can kick the last 200 meters, look out!

there are two rabbits in the race

Always Positive wrote:

Yes, all you glass is half empty people think that way. Thankfully, Mr. Andrew Wheating is a glass half full guy (that's how he has gotten to the point he is today), and thankfully he has a positive coach who understands the difference between opportunity and fear. It will be an epic race, no doubt, assuming the wind cooperates.

Wheating is a glass half full guy. Unfortunately everyone else in the race is a full glass guy.

Wheating is a glass half empty guy, thats why he needed to toil with the heats to beat Andrews because we all know Andrews can SLAP Wheating on level playing ground. Someone should really link Wheating to the coachong openings thread because we know his career won't last very long.

He meant 2001 not 2005, thus the confusion.