Vipam,
The body of a runner is up and down. Some days you feel great, other days you feel bad. It happens to the most consistent and steady runners. It happens to the olympic champ, the local road runners, it happens to me and even to you! It's called an off race also known as a bad race.
I know one thing, most successful runners move on rather quickly after an off performance. They don't dwell on bad performances and tend to always keep their focus on the big picture.
Yo, dude, she was definitely working.
Went through the mile @ 5:00 min, looked good. And then just looked...well, like a normal runner after that. I mean that in the sense that she was working hard and wasn't hugely relaxed. I kept thinking of the prototypical 4:15 high school miler: good, clearly moving, but hardly otherwordly or all-timer. She didn't project the invincibility and ease I've come to associate with elite athletes.
Perhaps it was a bad day. It wasn't really that windy, the weather was good -- even sunny at times -- and she got off on the right pace. It's a long distance and she's likely not really ready for it. I have no doubts she'll improve, but chalk it up as a good debut performance that indicates solid things to come, but not just yet.
Clearly a tempo/workout. The 1500 is the race!
saturdays at hayward... wrote:
Yo, dude, she was definitely working.
Went through the mile @ 5:00 min, looked good. And then just looked...well, like a normal runner after that. I mean that in the sense that she was working hard and wasn't hugely relaxed. I kept thinking of the prototypical 4:15 high school miler: good, clearly moving, but hardly otherwordly or all-timer. She didn't project the invincibility and ease I've come to associate with elite athletes.
Perhaps it was a bad day. It wasn't really that windy, the weather was good -- even sunny at times -- and she got off on the right pace. It's a long distance and she's likely not really ready for it. I have no doubts she'll improve, but chalk it up as a good debut performance that indicates solid things to come, but not just yet.
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Hmmm good and objective assestment from someone who was actually at the race! Still pointing toward Jordan isn't the next great American female distance runner many prematurley titled her to be on the website.
You guys know that there is a 15 year old in the UK running 4:15?
Hasay will only get good when she goes to the 'pro coach' as you call it over there.
trollism wrote:
You guys know that there is a 15 year old in the UK running 4:15?
Hasay will only get good when she goes to the 'pro coach' as you call it over there.
you mean georgia peel? yes we know.
georgie peel.
i had georgia on my mind (an old song) lol.
VIPAM, you where doing so well. Continue taking your medication. Only you can change you.
haha...megan o'reilly ran much faster...as a high schooler
The difference between elite athletes and "everyone else" is consistency. Look at a guy like Bekele. His "bad days" are usually good enough to win world championships or golden league meets.
Other than World Cross (which Bekele seems uninterested in now), I don't see the preeminent Olympic Champ slipping far on the bad days. And that's the difference between the truly elite and "everyone else".
If Geb's biography is correct, he basically wasn't running before sydney or atlanta, and still went out and beat everyone. Surely some of them had good days -- and I can't imagine he was. Yet he still beat them.
you know a 4:15 doesn't mean much? It's really good & all, but it's going to win anything. There's a world of difference between precocious and elite. Hasay is making progress towards elite, but every race isn't going to be world class along the way.
I'd hope she achieves more than Kara, and it certainly seems she's capable of getting to that level someday. But that's years away; why worry?
She is going to run WAY faster at the Cardinal Invite. You heard it here first. I'm predicting sub 15:40.
Why?
Not sure about her time, but most of the replies to your thread are exactly what I expected.
Who think she will break her Nicole Blood AJR of 15:36.9 and who doesn't as it appears some of you changed your mind after her 5000m debut?
Honestly I think Jordan Hasay is physically capable but everything- weather and her pacing- must go right and she needs to be better prepared for 12 plus laps of hard running mentally. Some 1500m runners don't allows move to the track 5000m smoothly and quickly.
You should have 4:16 on your mind! (for GP)
This is a better indication of where Hasay is than the 5km:
2010 4:14.67 Palo Alto, CA 26/03/2010
CORRECTION:
VIPAM wrote:
Who think she will break MOLLY HUDDLES'S AJR of 15:36.95 and who doesn't as it appears some of you changed your mind after her 5000m debut?
Honestly I think Jordan Hasay is physically capable but everything- weather and her pacing- must go right and she needs to be better prepared for 12 plus laps of hard running mentally. Some 1500m runners don't always move up to the TRACK 5000m smoothly and quickly.
15:50.4 at Mt Sac I think it will take another attempt late in the season maybe NCAA for her to get the AJR.
so you're saying the pacing was terrible (5min through the mile) and the weather was terrible? [it was really quite fine]. She had the weather and pacing to at least run sub 16 -- probably not an AJR, but certainly faster.
That's a significant and unwarranted drop in time. Hasay may be capable but has done nothing to prove it this season.
Is it really that hard to fathom that runners may not always be perfect? That they may not always be smashing excellent records. You're as good as what you've done, not what you may do, could do, or should do.
Who is this Jordan Hasay person?
I never heard of her.